Are Chelsea and City onfield success just side effects of a false economy?

I Dont always agree with you Piskie, but that is spot on and I will also give credit where its due, I know that you are not a big fan of 'net spend' figures but Arsenals in the premier league era is frankly brilliant to have maintained your place at the top with only the 8th biggest net spend is fantastic, what you wont be so keen on me pointing out is that Spurs may have spent the 4th most but they have also received more in transfer fees than anyone other club. Chelseas net spend is actually greater the combined net spend of Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd, Everton and Newcastle, and Citys is not far behind.

 

Absolutely spot on

 

Is your post supposed to make me think anything other than 'City' for this question??

 

This^

We have succeeded where Blackburn, Newcastle etc failed. And we should be here to stay now. Our revenue is up there with Arsenal's.

But our revenue was up there and even ahead of Arsenal pre-Roman, going back to the mid-90s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2000.E2.80.9301

 

I often wonder why fans of other clubs are under the impression Chelsea or City fans actually care what they think of our big spending? I would much rather have an owner who is prepared to give us top class players and actually spend money than one who is looking to gain money from the club. There is a reason why fans of other clubs slate their owners and Chelsea/City fans don't!

Truth is, if Spurs/Arsenal or anyone else were the club purchased by Roman, you wouldn't give a **** either and it would be us complaining about you. That's the nature of football fans. I've never actually been bothered by people saying we've bought success, makes no difference to me. Since the inclusion of Sky, it would have been and still is pretty much impossible to build a title winning side with any old team without significant investment.

This being said, it would be a massive achievment if Arsenal were to win the league this season and I'd be the first to commend them.

 

We started off well off the pace in the PL so have had a very high player turnover as we gradually improved the squad. Our net spend is much lower than Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City. We've barely spent anything for five years on a net basis.

 

Football is about winning not bragging about accountancy.
I worry about how much money the mrs blows on Isabel Marant shoes and enjoy watching Chelsea own 3PL.

If Chelsea could do that with eleven West London boys through the ranks that would be great, but when we won CL I didn't think, "I just can't enjoy this, our net spend is higher than Bayern's"

 

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Agreed - I wasn't claiming this as a positive, but Piskie's assertion that we've spent as much as Man U is just irrelevant

 

I'm not sure Arsenal did, Ozil was worth every penny. Better value for money than Jovetic? As for running down contracts, you can't force players to sign them, if you could Bale would be playing for us this year. The reason Arsenal and Spurs lose players is because clubs like Real, Chelsea and City have funding that distorts the market. You can't blame Nasri, VP, Bale, Modric going somewhere where they guess trophies will be bought.

 

And sold more. You need to make up your mind whether to take the piss out of us for being a feeder club or for being high spenders. Selling our best players leads to spending a lot on replacing them. Had we been able to keep Modric, VDV and Bale we wouldn't have spent so much. Whether they are good purchases is another matter, but many of our signings were worrying a lot of your posters before they came. Who knows we might not see the value of them till next year?

 

Fixed. No need to thank me

 

Why should fans care that their club is a billionaire's plaything?

Because you are one bad day for a capricious owner away from hitting skid row on a whim. Perhaps tomorrow is the day your sugar daddy decides to buy a US basketball team instead.

I also don't think that all the buying and selling makes for a fun team to support. I honestly feel that our players want to win for Arsenal, not just for themselves. I think Chelsea still has that with Cole/Terry/Lampard; when they go though, I am not so sure.

As for Spurs, they don't seem to be able to make up their mind which camp they are in. I wish they would make up their minds, so that we will be able to take the piss better.

As for the criticisms about Arsenal sell their best players and everything, well, you gotta do what you gotta do to get ahead. That is what it took to get where we are today. Why are most Arsenal fans happy? Because we are where we are, despite the challenges.

Look at it like the contented glow after finishing a hard job. You might not have done the best job ever, but you got it done, and you can enjoy your beer.

 

Next year, Spurs won't be a new club to them, but thanks for trying

 

Apart from the strange dig at spurs, I agree with every word of that . If you get pleasure from success after all the trials, imagine how we will fel when we next win something (yeah, yeah in 50 years time)

 

Why are most Arsenal fans happy?
Are you on a wind up? The last decade or so has regularly seen Wenger out protests and sad pitiful booing at the emirates.
Now youve finally spent some money on a player and are finally looking to be on an upward curve again,everything is hunky dorey?
What happens when your next blip comes again? Back to booing and wenger out is the logical guess

 

Exactly, it's what makes winning so much more enjoyable. Man City has now become a soulless club that has bought themselves into their current position. We've gone through a tough period of growth and done it the hard way. We've earn't the right to buy Ozil after years of hardship and saving. It's thrilling to see players go through the ranks and star for the team. We've done it the right way and if Arsenal wins the league, it would be a moral victory.

 

expected replies from Chelsea and City fans, with some even claiming they dont care!
(enough to reply I suppose)

Unfortunately nothing changes the fact they have bought their success. not in a sustainable business way but more in a throw money until it brings success. When your desperate for success of course the fans will say it's a fantastic way to run a club. The truth is Chelsea and City would love to be run the same way as Arsenal and gain success, why? becuase it's comendable....

 

commendable wins you **** all,just a patronising pat on the arse

 

Well said.

Re TT's point about being a play thing, Chelsea and to some extent City are now worth far too much in terms of being a brand for someone to just throw it away and let in sink into nothing. Other investors would come.

I'll answer this in two parts;

1) We know this, it's not some unknown topic. My question to you was, why do you think that we (City and Chelsea fans, or other clubs who have been bankrolled) care what you believe or consider to be commendable?

2) I honestly wouldn't . If I did it would contradict my point completely.