Are Chelsea and City onfield success just side effects of a false economy?

What have they done to earn their onfield success except pay over the odds
for players and inflate the value of the market in general?

 

Yes. Both clubs were yo-yo teams bouncing between the old Div1 and Div2 before the big bucks came in.

 

Much as I detest how the Russian and Arabs have shown no regard for value and simply chucked pound notes, and plenty of them, around and created the ridiculously inflated market that exists, at least they're still here and have done something to create an infrastructure.
Watching clubs like Blackburn and Cardiff get ripped apart by joke owners who have humiliated themselves, their clubs and shown no respect for the fans that have been there through thick and thin, I find that painful and feel nothing but sympathy with the fans.
So yes, a few owners have changed the landscape by 'pinsticking' a club and buying trophies but to their credit they are in it for the long haul...

 

It has always been the case that the clubs who spend the most money, win most things. There are always exceptions (like us), but Prior to Chelsea and Man Citeh, Man U were spending £30M + on players and even at the start of their success were paying record fees for players like Pallister, Keane etc. Prior to that Nottm Forest spent £1M on Francis and were successful. Liverpool also weren't adverse to spending money in the 70's and 80's.

The only difference is the actual amounts, but if you look at the English transfer record being broken, it is normally done by a club that then has success.

 

Yes but teams of yesteryear used to buy the one top player, now it's totally different. You have teams like Chelsea and Man City that can out-bid and buy multiple top players and pay them top top wages. These guys have clearly abused the system but the Premiership couldn't care less about regulation and make an attempt to keep things remotely fair. Look at the way these teams just hoard top class players. They rather have them sitting on the bench or the reserves than let them leave. Look at the way Man City have been battering sides, is it any surprise? They want a ****ing pat on the back after buying all those top players? It's like playing a game on cheat mode and expect to be commended after winning.

I really don't want either of these teams to win, and if Arsenal can't then any other team please.

 

I'm not surprised they're smashing teams left right and centre because, as Lazarus said, the deck is stacked so heavily in their favour I'd only remark if they weren't doing that. The only thing that's surprising me is that the owners are still there. I'd have thought they'd have got bored long since.

 

Well said.

 

In 87 didn't Dalglish buy Alridge Barnes and Beardsley... They would be £100m plus now. And went 27 unbeaten

 

Ozil £42m



Fernandinho £30m

Demichelis £3.8m

Jovetic £22m

Negredo £16.4m

Navas £14.9m


No doubting whos paid over the odds in last summers spending,do you think its city and chelseas fault that your club allowed your best players to run down their contracts to a point which gave the players a get out option in the distance rather than be proactive and negotiate improved terms when their contracts fall under 2 years left?
Is it City or Chelseas fault that your club has only the bottom line as its primary interest to the absolute detriment of the supporters who now have to pay through the nose in a stadium devoid of atmosphere due to pricing out the working class section of your support?
Did Arsenal give any thought to the future of the also rans when they were negotiating the Premier League and champions league cash cows,which theyve been fortunate to milk from and they like to call such monies as "earned"?
Did Arsenal give any thought to those not in the clique when they were negotiating their financial trough and what the outcome was likely to be when they set the ball rolling?
It seems very churlish to moan about the outcome of something that your own club was at the forefront of instigating in the first place

 

I think most would agree that Arsenal winning the PL would be a victory for football. I don't actually have *anything* against Man City at all, I don't even care about Chelsea but I do want to see an eventual end to these big owners buying trophies left right and center. It really is no wonder our national team is screwed but that is another story.

 

Real and Barca buy everyone and their national side ain't bad!

 

You think Manchester City and Barcelona have the same attitude towards their nation's players? Really?

 

To be fair, Chelsea were outspending United long before Roman came along. even City often spent more. Then there is Liverpool and Spurs.

Thats the 4 biggest spenders pre and post Abramovic I think.

 

No.

I didn't say that

 

Spurs have actually spent more on transfers than Man Utd since the PL began, so it does show that buying success isn't guaranteed

That said, anybody who think that Chelsea and City somehow haven't bought their way to the top is living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

You're singling out one Summer signing ?
I assume you realise that your club has spent over £630m since Summer 2008 ?
Sales have netted you around £170m but that's still a net spend of approx £460m, I'd consider that 'landscape changing' in anyone's language and I find it laughable you choose to ridicule us, a club who choose to operate in a proper business like way, for one signing that broke our transfer record by around 300%.

 

Wealthy businessman purchases business and uses own capital to invest in new venture to turn the business into a major player? Why is this deemed to be not proper business like way?
Is it a novel way of doing business?

 

Because at no stage during that businesses exisitence are they profitable, in fact over a vert short period of time they lose hundreds of millions and in normal commerce this business would liquidate.
Football clubs should be businesses, to some owners they are toys and a way of showcasing ones wealth, nothing more

 

Utter nonsense
Many businesses take a number of years before they show a profit.
City will be profitable,I'm absolutely certain of that

 

If you were offered the opportunity of limitless funds and near-guaranteed success, would you say no? Some of our fans really make me scratch my head in wonderment.