Watford played some good football at times last year....with a young side I believe. Maybe they were missing the Bellamy and/or experienced player(s) touch to have gone further..... City were missing that youthful exuberance element I believe under DJ.......... Maybe Mackay can mix both with backing and patience ... and settle his differences with Bellers. Best choice I believe....... Hughton looks set for Brum . Please no Shearer.......learn your trade elsewhere.
Unfortunately CityAce, that will never happen - we will just try and hold on to them untl they reach 'peak-value' then sell. Rediculously, our new chairman has already said we need to sell to be sustainable which means teams know they can pick up our players for a good price. Most Watford fans feel Danny Graham was a steal at £3.5m - although I think it is about right for 100% cash up front. We need to either develop our own, or buy them young and improve (Like Graham and Buckley) to increase their sell-on value. This is one reason why you have a good chance of gettng Malky. He knows his team will have to be almost rebuilt each year just to keep the club running at break-even (and pating of previous debts) and may feel like he is running against the tide. Cardiff does seem to also produce a good conveyor belt of young talent, but you can also top this up with good, experienced players, and this may very well tempt him to ask to go. If he does go, he will with sadness from our point of view, and as long as he doesn't do a 'Rodgers', will go with most fans best wishes - it will just be a disappointment for us!! He was getting us playing some very good football at times, which we haven;t really for a while.
How good is Malkay Mackay? Not good enough. All this bollocks about "But he's kept us in the league with no money" is just that, bollocks. Dave Jones did FAR better with much less money, players sold from under his feet and the constant threat of administartion/liquidation. Dave Jones is ten times the manager Malky is, and he wasn't good enough either.
I think he will do a good job for you guys. what you have to remember what you have in your squad is better by far than Watfords squad. maybe he is the right man maybe he isnt. you will never know unless he signs. How many swansea fans wanted Rogers. A lot at cardiff were taking the p*ss out of us. But sometimes it just works at a club. Don't discount him if he signs. Just give him the chance he will deserve. Give him your backing. He may just be the man to take you up.
You've sussed it Luke - he is absolute rubbish and we were trying to palm him off on you - shame now you wont take him we will have to keep him - oh dear
this is where you watford fans contradict yourselves. you say that he's done an outstanding job under difficult circumstances - club run by clowns, shoestring budget etc, yet at the same time you are unsure whether he would come to cardiff - based on what you have said watford wont be challenging at the top end of the table, we will, so i dont understand where you're coming from to be honest. lets be honest he wont jump from watford to a premiership team, so his next best option would be a team with realistic expectations for promotion. just because tony pulis has done well keeping stoke up in the PL, doesnt mean he would be able to lead chelsea to the title does it? someone alluded to that earlier in the thread, good point too. challenging for promotion is a completely different kettle of fish to being expected to simple stave off relegation.
Fine by me, keep him. Maybe he can continue to keep you in the Championship, and we can sign a manager who has a REALISTIC chance of getting promoted. Sadly for Mackay, that is not him.
Lower half of the table club with ideas above their station. I used this phrase before, and it's still true: "Malky has wet dreams of managing a team like Cardiff". Unfortunately for us, he's done nothing, and I can't see him getting very far with any club, no matter their budget and playing staff. A top quality manager Malkay Mackay is most definitely not.
Dead right Luke he is shocking! You dont want him at all, err could you drop a line to your owners stating that!
Well I've just heard that we're currently in talks with that twat shearer, can I take back what I said and have Malkay now please?
Got to say Luke, how you can think Dave Jones had to manage in more difficult circumstances than Malky has done at Watford is simply not true. In his first two years as manager he has come within 2 hours of going into administration and has had his budget cut 2 years running to a case where only Scunthorpe had a smaller budget last season (which you claim Jones had less money, again simply WRONG). In those two years he has had to sell or let go the following just to balance the books: Lee Williamson, Tamas Priskin, John-Joe O'Toole, Jobi McAnuff, Mike Williamson, Tommy Smith, Jay DeMerit, Jon Harley, Will Buckley, Danny Graham. Far more than Jone's has had to sell. Luke, get a grip the supposed facts about Jones managing in more difficult circumstances is absolute tripe!
Okay, so you obviously know Watfords situation pretty well. But what do you know about Cardiff's situation? Dave Jones was within 2 hours of administration on a near daily basis, do you know how many winding up orders we faced? (It's been 3 this past season alone, I daren't think any further back than that) Do you know how long we were under a transfer embargo due to unpaid taxes and unfiled reports? All you know of Cardiff is what you have seen these past few seasons on the pitch. Behind closed doors the club was in a terrible mess. The fact Cardiff City Football Club even exist at all is nothing short of a miracle. You want to compare your fortunes to a list of players we had to sell? Aaron Ramsey, Chris Gunter, Cameron Jerome, Roger Johnson, Jobi Mcanuff, Danny Gabbidon, James Collins, Michael Chopra, Peter Thorne, the list goes on and on. Dave Jones has had to sell, over the years, 33 MILLION pounds worth of players, and this was only enough to keep the club barely afloat. Also worth bearing in mind the ammount of money he was expected to spend to replace these players. £5 million. That's it. We sold Roger Johnson for 5 million, Aaron Ramsey fetched 4.8 million, Chris Gunter moved on for 2 million. How can anyone be expected to replace that much talent with **** all money? And all of this whilst still challenging for promotion. Malky Mackay has done reasonably well considering, but to claim he had it harder than Dave Jones is nearing farcical. Considering you have told me to "get a grip", would it not be a good idea to do some PROPER research before making such a claim, so as not to appear stupid and uneducated?
"I am amazed that a club that would sack someone who got you into two play offs would consider a gamble on the unknown." Good point that. DJ was as good a manager as we have had. Had successes we could only dream about a few years back. To replace him with a young manager with fresh ideas and talent is our only option. Hughton still seems the man for me. People say he got a Prem team promoted...yes...but he was doing very well with that team in the Prem when he got shafted. He may not get us promoted next season but I think he would eventually.
I'm definitely with you on that one, Hughton or O'Neill. It doesn't look like O'Neill, so it HAS to be Hughton. Anyone else would be a comprimise, and a very poor one at that.
Luke, Sorry mate but Dave Jones may not ahve had much money bur he had (on paper at any rate) a far superior squad. You seem to be the only one who thinks otherwise.
Really? With all the other topics being discussed, this is the best you can come up with? How many times have Watford failed in the Prem? When was the last time you were in the FA Cup final? (yes, yes, '84) blah blah blah....d'you get my point?
