He probably would have cost more than £6m had his contract not been up. Its what we did with Kranjcar too.
It's an endemic problem with any new manager - they want to choose 'their players' which is mostly a matter of personal preference. Any CEO of any other company who said in his interview that he would change the whole Board and 25% of the staff at massive cost as soon as he was appointed would get short shrift. The coach's job should be to get the best out of the players he's got, not to piss money up the wall buying a new set.
He's started getting the best out of some in terms of Eriksen, Adebayor plus Bentaleb proving his worth. Tim hasn't said he's looking to buy anyone either. All Tim/ Levy is doing is getting rid of a player that hasn't impressed consistently enough and is someone who we won't really miss due to the amount of options we have available.
Adam suter is saying that holtby's agent is talking to 2 clubs from Germany and one from the prem over loan deals, but apparently Sherwood wants him out, permanently. It makes you wonder if there's much more to this and something's kicked off behind the scenes.
Allow me to clarify my understanding here ... We are selling a player who is a German national prospect, after less than one calendar year. A player who was supposed to arrive during the summer, and was only signed earlier due to the panic over the injury to Sandro.
which is why i think there must be more to this. If it's just down to sherwood's ego, I give up. I'm not a huge fan of what i've seen from holtby, but players need time. I'm sick of our our managerial chopping and changing and the footballing decisions that Levy makes, which causes a knock on affect on the pitch. We're like a bloody circus.
Problem is though RDBD is that Holtby has failed to make any sort of impact and struggled for first team starts in his first 6 months and has now found himself further down the pecking order this season after recent arrivals and emergence of a youth players. January transfer signings have it harder than others as they come in expected to make an immediate impact having had no previous pre-season with their new team mates and so, like it is in Holtby's case, he didn't impress in his first 6 months with us and has found himself further down the pecking order than when he joined. Even with a shed load of injuries he's still barely featured.
If we get an offer for him that's a lot more than we think he's worth then I'm not got any problem with that. Indeed I think that should be our transfer policy: sign anyone who we can get for 50% less than they are worth, sell anyone where we can get 50% more than they are worth. The +/- 50% should mean that we don't do many trades!
Yeah nothing wrong that policy. As for Holtby, it's hard to judge his worth. No doubt he's talented and has age on his side, PLUS he's a German youth international that's actually been capped for the seniors but then looking at his performances for the most part with us and the fact it's clear for most to see he's down the pecking order, that will surely decrease his value demands. If £6m is the correct amount we're supposedly looking for then I think that's reasonable considering we paid about £1.5m for him, it's a £4.5m profit give or take on a player who's been in and out of the team like a yo-yo.
What we paid for Holtby (or any other player) is irrelevant, Holtby had only 6 months left on his contract and would have joined us for free had we not brought it forward. I will be disappointed if we sell Holtby after such a short time and I think he is worth a lot more than £6m, he is only 23, has a long contract, is a German international and has done quite well for us at times, albeit with limited opportunities. There are a few players I would rather see leave before him like Siggy for eg. Obviously, Holtby wants regular football but we can never have enough quality players around Spurs, a loan deal may be the best option.
I'm with CB on this one. Selling Holtby now would be a mistake, in my opinion. The same applies to Capoue. They're both good, young players and we've got a manager who could easily be out the door come the summer. What good would the money do us, as it doesn't look like we intend to spend it?
I don't really see any benefit in loaning him from our point of view. Unless he had a stormer of a loan spell, he'd just come back to play second fiddle to others again.
Capoue's departure is borderline crazy, he's played well in the games he featured, especially the first 3-4 prior to his injury and is the only natural like-for-like replacement/ competitor to Sandro.
We'd get a less pathetic price for him if he'd had the chance to prove that when he's playing regularly he still plays well, like he did at Schalke. If we loaned him out to a PL side it would be ideal as we could have a much better idea of how he'd fit in, in a PL side and we see what we're missing but with the chance to still take him back without it costing us £20mill like with Matic. Also, we might have a different manager for next season... one that rates him, or can get the best out of him. We don't play with a defensive midfielder currently though. So if we're going with the idea that Sherwood will play 2 centre mids then Capoue is behind Sandro, Eriksen, Dembele and Paulinho with Bentaleb as competition too. By the law of Holtby, that means we don't need him.
The question is how we will play next season - under a new full-time manager when Levy decides that Sherwood isn't up to the task sometime during the World Cup. What if we play 4231 next season? Capoue and Holtby would both fit into that system well, and with less competition for places than there is playing 442.
Just because there is a transfer window it doesn't mean you are obliged to off load players. Why are people keen to get rid of young players like Holtby when there is no need to. Holtby has a lot of potential he looks like a future captain of somebodys team to me that could be Spurs. Flashy moments do not signal a career just as workman like performances do not signal lack of talent. It's taken a few years and several managers to build our current squad let's not dismantle it before it has even begun to fulfil its undoubted potential.
The players themselves do not want to fit into all your little 'keep them' scenarios, they want more games, and we're not going to give them. Capoue is sitting down while Bentaleb gets starts despite injury to Sandro and Paulinho, I'd say there's an attitude problem perhaps. Time to think outside the box on this. I think its a little coincidental 2 players miffed at not enough games, are the same ones half hour late and punished Calling Holtby an international is a stretch, he's nowhere near the senior squad let alone team. http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/14/totte...-and-etienne-capoue-in-january-sales-4262041/
If you're a manager you want to know the players you pick are going to follow team orders and perform in the manner you want, so managers have to put trust in their players. Right now Sherwood is stuck working with the current squad and is going to markdown players he isn't interested in, such as Holtby, Capoue and Ekotto while bringing through youth that he's worked with and players such as Ade who weren't featuring. If you want to criticise anyone then look at Avb and Baldini, it looks to me they pissed up millions last summer and Sherwood will be planning for next season already and the entire point of a youth system is to promote players if they are capable. It's refreshing to have a manager who is prepared to give youth players time to prove themselves and if certain players are sold then fans will need to accept such players don't feature in the managers plans.
