Business owner taking funds from their business.... well I am shocked, who knew such practices happened. Seriously though, Weve spent plenty of money. Im unsure as to how anyone can say otherwise. Sure other clubs have outspent us but so what, doesnt change the fact weve spent big. Also a quick look back over the years shows how Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea and even City regularly out spent us even when no sugar daddies existed. Its nothing new.
Exactly, you think the Glazers will lose out? They wont see themselves go without for the sake of Manchester United. Chav fans as you call them dont need to worry about plastics because our owner has the money to finance us should the worst happen. He doesnt want to, and the aim is to become self sufficient (that wont ever happen until we get a new stadium but thats another story). But he CAN...he has shown the desire to...do you honestly think the Glazers would step up if the same thing happened?.....
No the general feeling was "give the guy a chance, he's only been here 5 minutes" despite how badly we started. That I guess is the difference between "supporters" and you. We haven't always spent well, we've often spent a lot but that's different and exactly what you're asking for now isn't it? Throw money at it, panic buy, sack anyone who's not an instant success. As for failing that's all relative. Yes we have failed compared to Fergies record but 11 trophies in that time is certainly not abject as much as you'd like to paint it so. Should we have won more? Probably but as I said most fans in this country would be quite happy with 11 trophies in twenty years eh. Just not the ones who have been spoilt like you
More complete tosh. You gave several managers time, most failed to repay the faith shown. Most were given plenty to spend and failed to deliver. as a club you are the prime example why persisting with those not good enough doesnt work out. I remember many Liverpool fan pointing out how Rodgers was implementing his style of play and showing signs of improvement. Seeing as you cannot grasp the point that Moyes, hasnt show any improvement nor implemented any sort of gameplan, I doubt you can see why they are completely different.
No, it's a business owner paying for the business he 'bought' with money coming from that business! If you'd have been bought by an owner who chose to actually buy it as opposed to a leveraged purchase that cost Man United £680m to pay off, then you'd have been £680m better off ffs! You've been raped by the Glazers & despite some funds being spent, you've not competed for the crème de la crème in the market for years & given your massive revenue you should have been able to, irrespective of the oil clubs, that's the point.
The success United have had since the Glazers have come in has really taken the heat off them to a point. You watch the fan backlash start again if Moyes isn't given the funding to build his own team. Up until now people have accepted them through gritted teeth as we've had continued success but I think things will reach a point very soon when the trophies stop coming in and people start to REALLY look at our squad (like this thread) and the backlash will start against the Glazers again. The only way for them to stop it is to invest heavily in the playing squad but like I've stated earlier, I really can't see it happening.
Again, its pretty standard stuff. We've always been in for the best players as well. Many of whom have agreed to join only for agents to demand large fees for doing basically **** all. Thats been our downfall in the market. Refusal to conform to whats sadly become standard practice.
But Rodgers hardly improved us at all in his first season and certainly not until after the Jan window had closed. It would have been easy to turn on him...but most didn't (as in fairness most of your lot aren't either). I'm not quite sure what tosh even means as I was born post 1920 but presuming you're ridiculing every fact I stated feel free to present a more coherent argument against. Like I said IMO we probably would have suffered a lot more during the last twenty years had we chopped and changed rather than having one area of stability at the club (i.e the manager). You seem convinced that money will solve all ills (or should have at LFC) hence why I gave Leeds as an example of how it really doesn't. I never said the managers don't share some of the blame because of course they do but are you so blind as to see that (just as with us) not ALL your problems at the moment are down to the manager. Some of the blame has to lie with Fergie, some of it has to lie with the board and those who ****ed up a whole summer transfer window (just like ours did the summer before) and some has to lie with the players who stopped fighting for the cause the minute Fergie walked out the door.
I truly believe Mourinho would have been given the funds he wanted. Im not saying Mourniho is the answer but using him as an example seeing as were linked with him. I also believe Moyes had funds, far more than £30million. Fellaini was always coming so He had at least £60/70million. More than enough to make a start on something. Put it this way, a month before h signed Fellaini, for basically the same money he could have signed Fellaini and De Rossi.
Hardly improved you but improved you. Money wont solve all of this either. A good manager who installs belief into players who we all know can produce would help go someway to solving this. Moyes could buy the worlds 11 best players but he would fail to achieve.
It comes to something when I agree more with a bloody scouser than with a United fan The manager whether poor or brilliant has to have the right support around him. Woodward is an incompetent prat (and should be the one we should sack!!). The Glazers have been bleeding the club dry since they bought it by borrowing from banks. £680m is a huge amount of money. And the f**king players have to take some responsibility for not playing as well under Moyes.
The right support? he brought his everton chums with him and ****ed off the entire coaching staff. So far I have noticed the following. Moyes has his favourite players. These players will play regardless of form or fitness. Moyes dislikes some players. these players will not play regardless of the aboves form or fitness. Moyes has no plan B. Its as if this is his first job out of school. Moyes is unsure on how to use substitutions. He really hasnt got a clue. Moyes cannot handle the media. Moyes isnt savy in the transfer market. Moyes is unsure of what tactics are used for, how they are implemented and most worryingly... what they actually are. Moyes looks a broken figure. Hes running on fumes. On a positive note, Ive noticed hes erm...... no sorry, cant think of anything.
That's delusional mate. Name one top drawer player that you've 'passed on' due to a total refusal to pay the agents fees? King Eric has it right. The heat has been off the Glazers due to the on pitch success inspired by Ferguson. Now you're looking bang average, questions around player investment will become more vocal.
But you can only say (definitively) that Moyes can't do that once he has his own squad to work with surely. Not many managers succeed with another bunch of players unless they inherit an amazing squad and he certainly hasn't inherited that. In fairness to Moyes (the former bitter blue now Manc twat) the thing he was BEST at at Everton was instilling belief and loyalty into his players. If that's the characteristics you want in a manager then that's exactly the sort of man you already have. What you actually want UIR is a man who would bring you instant success and that was never, ever going to be Gollum.
Hazard & Moura. Top drawer prospects. Pre Glazer we were at it, refusing to pay that extra when clubs or agents suddenly point out that team A have offered a million more. Ronaldinho is the single best example of this ( worked out pretty well in the end though ).
