Neutral perspective - it's the poorest United team for some years but that's partly because, with the exception of Rooney and RVP - David Moyes inherited "the poorest United team for some years". Sir Alex took his leave at exactly the right time, having won the league with an ageing, unexceptional, team in a year where there was no outstanding oppoing teams in terms of quality / togetherness. Injuries to RVP and Rooney have compounded things and you now have a collection of individuals sadly lacking in form and confidence. In contrast other teams have strengthened substantially and have also started to knit together as teams after a period of building. That happens in football. Whoever had taken over from SAF would have been faced with the same challenges - major surgery needed and hugely improved opposition. United have no divine right to be successful and some of the power balances have shifted. However, United are a huge club, huge global brand and are far better placed to emerge from a period of transition than most other clubs - sorry for those of you that can't face the period of mediocrity that most of the rest of us have had to sufffer with throughout a lifetime . If you are not prepared to support your club through thick and thin go switch allegiance - always very easy to support the 'winning team' if that is where your true enjoyment lies.
On behalf of football fans everywhere, I would like to just say that Moyes is my favorite ever Man U manager. With him in charge, you'll end up, if lucky, at the same level Moyes managed with Everton. The main difference there was the lack of pressure and expectation, so I can see you winning nothing, and struggling to stay in the top 6 this season. The financial losses will be critical for a team like Man U without Europe, and those 1 million pound a position spots, not to mention the mass desertion by the plastics who buy your shirts. Complaining about refs is ****ing hilarious too. Worst and most cynical team we've played this season. Rooney especially, constantly in the ref's face, just a shame we didn't have Clattenburg reffing that game, he'da been off. Quite a few of your current squad would breeze through a series of Splash as well. Fergie time anyone? Not only was Fergie a better manager, but he also had the FA and most Refs **** scared of him, now its just payback. Man U's current situation and imminent demise is just karma.
I'm sorry, I forgot someone. Darren Fletcher. Superb servant to the club Darren is, he's had his bowel removed. Take that in. Had his bowel removed. He came on as sub last night, that is how thin on the ground our midfield is. But yeah, it's David Moyes' fault.
So in what way is it not David Moyes fault? What exactly is he doing if its not failing to motivate the players, pick the correct ( or at least effective ) tactics, pick the correct team, make the correct substitutions and do everything in his power to stop this slump? If hes not doing this, which he clearly isnt, then what is he doing and why is he managing a club like United. A club that unlike the one in the mid 80's needs someone who can come in, bitch slap a few egos and take control from day one. We are the biggest club in the world, with Moyes as our manager its like Apple, Sony, Samsung or Google hiring a former Mcdonalds shift manager. Also can people stop comparing him to Fergie. They are in no way similar. The only thing they have in common is the fact they are scottish. Two completely different people.
Also if as some are claiming, Sir Alex left Moyes with the 'worst United side in years' then why are we so quick to trust his judgement on his successor? essentially what may are saying is SAF ****ed us over in terms of the squad and then choose the worst possible candidate to replace him. Its as if some think SAF hates United.....
Do I really, really have to explain (again) to you why the state of our midfield is not Moyes' fault? Really? And, by saying "this team won the league last year" every five minutes you are comparing Moyes to Ferguson.
Not at all. Theres more to football than a midfield though. Bar 3 players, one of which happens to be 18 and another a goalkeeper not one player is showing any signs of confidence, improvement or anything. Thats defenders, wingers and strikers. 3 out of a squad of 25 who are performing. Now perhaps every single one of our players suddenly turned to complete ****e in 6 months or theres a problem. I wonder what that problem could be.... what has changed at Manchester United recently? Could it be that a new manager came in and just tore away the entire structure of the club over night? Should have been sacked at that point. The single biggest mistake and the rout cause of our problems is the removal of our successful coaching team.
Surely someone has a good reason for Moyes having time other than because someone says so? Perhaps someone can show examples of how given time, managers do succeed. Without using Fergie as an example and not going back 50 year as its entirely irrelevant. The most recent example of a club similar to ourselves shows that given time, managers who are not good enough will drag you further and further down.
No, it isn't. The problem is that after 26 years Ferguson left. Ferguson, who had run the whole club, everything, from top to bottom. The was bound to be a major change within the whole club, there just had to be. How people can't see this just staggers belief, it really does. Or was Fergie just some ordinary bloke who merely let everyone get on with it, effectively running themselves? If so then yeah, Moyes should have just been able to come in and click is fingers and everything carries on as normal. In changing the coaching staff, all Moyes did is what any manager ever does when taking a new job, brings his own men in. Hindsight is wonderful though isn't it?
It is hilarious having these ****ing "fans" being so angry that we are not top of the table 10 points ahead of everyone else and running away with the title. And calling for the manager's head. How many times do we need to say that United have no divine right to win that ****ing title when the team and squad is ****? Can we honestly pin the whole blame for the poverty of the squad on Moyes? Fergie for all his greatness failed to significantly improve that midfiled which everyone has been saying was a major and key weakness. he has been papering over the cracks with Giggs and Scholes. How can not winning the title or even not in the CL be any worse than the relegation in the 70s. I've been through that and the era of Sexton and fat Ron and early Ferguson. I can tell you it will get very much worse before it gets better.
Even though I said dont use him as an example as it is in no way the same that would be what? 1 manager in the history of the game? Honestly Ruff, do you expect Moyes to be a success at United. Have you seen something so far that helps you keep the faith?
Have to concede UIR has a point here to be honest. Its not like it was in the 80's. United are not the same club that they were in the 80's when Ferguson took over. When he took over, you had a pretty decent squad who would go on the odd cup run and finish in the top 10 of the league most seasons (Ie how Everton have been for the last 10 years). Now, when Moyes takes charge, its in a period where Man Utd are not just a football club but a global brand, one that NEEDS to win trophies in order to keep up with clubs that have rich owners like ourselves and City. If Utd lose their plastics, then they are f**ked, I am sorry to say. And you only keep plastics by winning...and people say "We are the biggest club blah blah, our income blah blah" you are only the biggest club and have such a high income BECAUSE of plastics parting with their cash to buy your merchandise, if that stops, you lose your edge and are firmly squeezed out of the top of the table monopoly. (Ask Liverpool how hard it is to get back to the top).
Would like to point out that midfield which everyone can see was a problem was plugged in with felleini. So David Moyes has failed in that respect.
Is this why the chavs fans are all plastics? I couldn't give a **** whether the greedy glazers become "poorer" from the loss of the plastics...The earlier they **** off the better
Because hes clearly the exception and not the rule. I understand some United fans dont want to be like Chelsea or City but come on, let not be like Liverpool.
