please log in to view this image Arsenal host Tottenham Hotspur at the Emirates Stadium in the FA Cup 3rd Round on Saturday 4th January 2014 (KO 17:15). Arsenal have won the FA Cup 10 times, most recently in 2005 while Spurs have lifted the trophy 8 times, most recently in 1991. This will be the 253nd time the two teams have met and the 6th time in the FA Cup. Spurs v Arsenal is now one of the great rivalries in World Football but the fixture had very different beginings back in November 1887 when the clubs first met in a friendly played on Tottenham Marshes. Arsenal, then called Royal Arsenal, had been formed just a year earlier as Dial Square and were essentially the works team for the munitions factory situated in Woolwich, Kent, while Spurs who had been formed some five years earlier in 1882 still had many of the youngsters who founded the club playing for them. Spurs won that first encounter 2-1, although the game was cut short by 15 minutes, due to poor light conditions because of the Arsenal team getting lost and turning-up late for the start. Seven more friendlies were played between the two clubs from 1888 to 1896 with Spurs winning four and Arsenal winning three before their first competitive match in March 1899. By this time, Arsenal were re-named Woolwich Arsenal and the clubs met in the United League with the Gunners winning 2-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead while Spurs won the return match 3-2 at Northumberland Park. Two matches were played within the same week in April 1900 in the Southern District Combination League with Spurs winning 4-2 at White Hart Lane which was followed by a 2-1 win to Arsenal at Plumstead in a game abandoned after 75 minutes due to "bad language". History doesn't provide the answer as to who was the guilty party! From 1901 to 1920, the clubs met in various minor competitions, friendlies and matches played during the First World War. Tottenham Hotspur joined the Football League in season 1908-09 and won promotion to the First Division on their first attempt. The following season they played Arsenal in December 1909 and lost 0-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead, while the reverse fixture at White Hart Lane ended in a 1-1 draw with John Curtis scoring Spurs' first League goal against the Gunners. The teams met for three more seasons before Arsenal's relegation at the end of the 1912-13 season with Spurs winning three matches, Arsenal winning two and one game drawn. September 1913 proved to be a hugely important date in the history of both clubs as Arsenal controversially moved from south of the River Thames into the territory reserved for Tottenham Hotspur and Clapton (later Leyton) Orient, in clear violation of the rules and regulations governing such relocations as stipulated by the Football League. Despite bitter protests, Arsenal's move to Highbury (more correctly called Arsenal Stadium) was allowed. White Hart Lane was requisitioned by the Army during WWI, so Spurs played many of their wartime matches at Highbury. When League football resumed after the war in 1919, it was decided to once again expand the First Division from 20 teams to 22. The normal way of doing this had always been to add the top two clubs from the Second Division to those who were already in the First Division. However, there were complications arising from allegations of match-fixing from Liverpool and Manchester United during the final matches of the last season played before the League was suspended and it was felt that they would forfit their Top Flight status as a result. From nowhere, Arsenal, who had finished sixth (later corrected to fifth) in the Second Division before the war were 'elected' to take Tottenham Hotspur's place in the First Division. Allegations of bribery persist to this day and Henry Norris (Arsenal's Chairman) was later given a lifetime ban from football from the Football League for underhand financial activities. Spurs and Arsenal played their first Football League match after World War One in the First Division in January 1921 with Spurs winning 2-1 at White Hart Lane while Arsenal won the return match at Highbury 3-2. All 150 League games played to date have taken place in the Top Flight of English football. Highbury was taken over by the Army during the Second World War and Spurs returned the favour by allowing Arsenal to play their wartime matches at White Hart Lane. Arsenal won the first FA Cup meeting between the two teams 3-0 in the 3rd Round in January 1949. The clubs have played five FA Cup matches to date with Spurs winning two and Arsenal winning three. The first Football League Cup match took place in November 1968 with Arsenal winning the first leg of the Semi-Final 1-0 at Highbury and Spurs drawing 1-1 at White Hart Lane the following month. Of the 12 League Cup matches played so far, Spurs have won 3, Arsenal have won 6 and three games have been drawn. Both Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and both clubs are among the seven (Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Aston Villa are the other five) who have been ever-present during the 21 seasons of the competition. Arsenal went two goals ahead by halftime in the 2010-11 fixture at the Emirates in November through Samir Nasri and Marouane Chamakh but Spurs came back strongly with goals from Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart (penalty) and Younes Kaboul to secure a 3-2 win. The match at White Hart Lane in April 2011 was a six goal thriller with honours even. Theo Walcott and Rafael van der Vaart scored goals within the first 10 minutes before Samir Nasri put the Gunners 2-1 up after 12 minutes. Arsenal went further ahead with a Robin van Persie goal on 40 minutes but Tom Huddlestone made it 2-3 by halftime. Van der Vaart scored the only goal in the second half from the penalty spot. The fixture at White Hart Lane in October 2011 was won by Spurs 2-1 with goals from Rafael van der Vaart and Kyle Walker with Aaron Ramsey scoring for Arsenal. The Gunners won their home match in February 2012 5-2. Louis Saha had put Spurs ahead after 4 minutes and an Emmanuel Adebayor penalty put Tottenham further ahead after 34 minutes. But Arsenal pulled two goals back before half-time through Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie. Tomas Rosicky put Arsenal in front just after the break and the rout was completed with a brace from Theo Walcott. During the 2012 summer transfer window, Spurs signed former Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor from Manchester City after having spent a season on loan. The match on 17th November at the Emirates resulted in a 5-2 win for Arsenal. Emmanuel Adebayor put Spurs ahead after 10 minutes but was sent-off eight minutes later for a rash tackle on Santi Cazorla. Arsenal then scored three times to make it 3-1 at halftime - Per Mertesacker, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud grabbing the goals. Santi Cazorla put Arsenal further ahead on the hour mark but Gareth Bale pulled one back for Spurs before Theo Walcott scored the fifth for Arsenal just before the final whistle. Spurs won the match at the Lane in March 2013 2-1 with Gareth Bale scoring after 37 minutes and Aaron Lennon adding a second two minutes later. Per Mertesacker pulled a goal back for Arsenal six minutes into the second half. Olivier Giroud scored in the 23rd minute to give Arsenal the points in the September 2013 Premier League game at the Emirates. As far as Football League / Premier League matches go, three player have both scored nine goals for Spurs against Arsenal - Billy Minter and Bobby Smith. Three Arsenal players have each scored eight goals against Spurs - Robert Pires, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alan Smith. There have been three hat-tricks scored during North London Derbies - Terry Dyson for Spurs and Ted Drake & Alan Sunderland for Arsenal. Jimmy Robertson & Emmanuel Adebayor are the only two players to score for both Spurs & Arsenal in a North London Derby. Arsenal's David O'Leary has played in the most North London Derbies (35) while both Gary Mabbutt & Steve Perryman played 31 games with Spurs. Overall, Spurs have won 91 of the 252 matches played against Arsenal with the Gunners winning 102 and 59 matches drawn.
please log in to view this image Full History of Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal Matches 1887-2014 please log in to view this image They Played for Spurs & Arsenal.... Emmanuel Adebayor Clive Allen Charlie Ambler Bob Arber (Arsenal player, Spurs reserves manager) David Bentley David Black Anton Blackwood Jimmy Brain Laurie Brown Walter Bugg Lycurgus Burrows Sol Campbell Herbert Chapman (Spurs player, Arsenal manager) Damien Comolli (Director of Football at both clubs) Freddie Cox James Delvin Wilf Dixon (Spurs assistant manager, Arsenal trainer) Jack Eggett Tom Fitchie Theo Foley (Arsenal assistant manager, Spurs reserves manager) William Gallas George Graham (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs) Vic Groves Tom Hatfield Stewart Houston (Assistant manager at both clubs) Joe Hulme (Arsenal player, Spurs manager) George Hunt David Jenkins Pat Jennings Bill Julian Peter Kyle Neil Lacy Bill Lane (Spurs player, Arsenal scout) Peter McWilliam (Spurs manager, Arsenal scout) Tom Meade Billy Minter Terry Naylor Terry Neill (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs) Jamie O'Hara Tom O'Shea George Payne Ron Piper Tom Pratt Rohan Ricketts Jimmy Robertson Andrew Swan Walter Thomas Erik Thorstvedt Steve Walford Ernie Walley (Spurs player, Arsenal coach) Charlie Williams Willie Young please log in to view this image Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14 Arsenal Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2013-14 Premier League London Derbies Season 2013-14 please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image
Oh dear Superjack, looks like you have some competition Very nicely done, although a bit too full on for the light read I usually come on not606 for.
Still disagree and see the inclusion of such ****e as deliberately inflammatory... It should be deleted.
Well, you have to realize that this is all rumour and conspiracy theory. Certainly, the idea that there was territory in London "Reserved" for one club or another is a bit strange. Reserved with whom? And as far as the promotion goes, that sort of thing was hardly abnormal for the time. Even in the words of the article, it states it was "usual" for the top teams to be taken, not that there were any rules dictating who the league should or should not promote. These were gentlemen's agreements handled behind closed doors. In exactly the way that the ban against Norris was handed out. The article though does imply that the ban had something to do with the promotion, which it did not. In fact it is not clear whether his financial shenanigans had anything to do with football. If Spurs fans are going to post an article on the Arsenal board, it could be a little more neutral.
If we're looking for historical accuracy rather than hearsay and rumour, then it should be noted that THFC were not the first club to use the name Hotspur. That accolade goes to another club called Hotspur FC who predated the now THFC. The original Hotspur club played in the FA cup for around eight seasons and were based near Merton in the Wimbledon area and took the name Hotspur as it was close to Syon house, the ancestoral home of Henry Percy, the Earl of Northumberland who was the real life character based on Harry Hotspur, in Shakespeare's play Henry IV. Thus the original Hotspur club were also a south London team and in fact their imitators THFC were forced to change their name and add Tottenham when it was discovered that they were using the name of the existing club. The original Hotspur club also played in blue and white and laid claim to the title Hotspur long before the the club that became THFC even existed.
http://www.blog.woolwicharsenal.co.uk/archives/5215 Tottenham would have been relegated in any case, they were in the bottom two anyway, whether Arsenal should of been promoted or not is a slightly different matter, but it had no effect whatsoever on Tottenham's standing, so the bitterness that constantly emanates from you lot is quite frankly outstanding, especially considering that it was over 90 years ago.
I would think that more recent 'alleged' illegal practices by the spuds are far more relevant. West Ham-gate anyone?
Absolutely correct. The change of name from Hotspur FC to Tottenham Hotspur came in 1884, two years after the club was founded by a bunch of cricketing schoolboys who wanted to stay together during the winter months.
Lawro's Prediction for Arsenal v Tottenham (17:15 GMT) With Olivier Giroud and Nicklas Bendtner injured, Arsenal are short up front - they only really have Lukas Podolski left to lead their attack. Tottenham are doing well under Tim Sherwood and picked up a great win over Manchester United on New Year's Day. Yes, Spurs got lucky with a couple of decisions at Old Trafford but maybe the ball is bouncing in their favour at the moment. Sherwood's side might need some more good fortune at The Emirates Stadium, and it will be very close, but I think they might just nick it. Lawro's prediction: Arsenal 1-2 Tottenham Hotspur So that's Arsenal safely through to the Fourth Round then.
To be fair, it's highly unlikely the Spurs lads would have heard of the other club based in Syon Park. Hotspur was chosen after the Shakespeare character Harry Hotspur, who appears in Henry IV, Part 1 and was renowned for his daring-do exploits on the battlefield.
Latest I have heard is that Giroud could be fit. It may be that we decide not to risk him anyway though.
That's why the original Hotspur club laid claim to the name, as they were based near the ancestoral home of Henry Percy, the inspiration for Harry Hotspur.
As I mentioned before, the Hotspur Cricket Club had existed for many years before a football club was added, so it's very debatable as to whether the Syon Park or Tottenham club came first. And the area in Tottenham also has very strong associations with the Percy Family - Percy House is just down the High Road and Spurs played at Northumberland Park for many years before moving to White Hart Lane. Much of the land in the Tottenham area belonged to the Percy Family. SPURS TEAM NEWS Emmanuel Adebayor is fit to face Arsenal but Tim Sherwood has a number of injuries to contend with ahead of Saturday's huge FA Cup tie at the Emirates. The striker was stretchered off after 67 minutes of our victory against Manchester United on New Year's Day having opened the scoring at Old Trafford with his third goal in four matches. Ade was back in training on Friday and Head Coach Tim reported: "I spoke to Ade after United and he said he cramped up in all areas, some where he’d never cramped before, so he wasn’t sure if he had strains or pulls, but thankfully it has settled down, he’s had some great treatment and he’s ready to perform." There was more positive news for Tim as Jermain Defoe, Lewis Holtby and Andros Townsend all returned to training after injury on Friday. Tim said they were all 'in contention' to face the Gunners. "We’ll have to assess how far forward they are with their endurance, because the last thing we’d want is for one of them to take a strain and then they are out for another four, five weeks. We’ve big games after this as well, so we’ll be cautious with them." Sandro (hamstring) and Younes Kaboul (thigh) remain out but both players are expected to return to training next week. "That doesn’t mean they are ready to play," added Tim. "We’ll make sure we get some strength and substance into their endurance and physical fitness and hopefully we’ll keep them fit for the rest of the season." Erik Lamela (thigh), Kyle Naughton (ankle, hamstring), Paulinho (ankle), Gylfi Sigurdsson (calf) and Jan Vertonghen (ankle) are all sidelined.
