Clattenburg under investigation after Southampton accuse him of abusing Adam Lallana

If there was really significantly more to it than that, wouldn't it have come out by now? Surely it'd be in the best interests of everybody involved on our side.

 

Depends we could be drafting out a statement or anything? I like how Saints didn't go public yet the ref association did.

Do you really think Saints would carry on our case if it's all Clattenburg said? Imo I can't.

 

Exactly, it cuts both ways, but honestly, if a player is throwing a fit can you honestly expect 100% of the time, someone being screamed at to remain completely 100% cool and 100% professional? Unless we replace refs with androids or find some way of overcoming human nature, there will always be the possibility of a slight lapse of professionalism if a ref is the recipient of constant abuse. I think people underestimate how stressful it is to be a ref. You're right, players and refs should act like profs and be respected by the other side, but it's a lot harder for both sides to act in that manner when one side is not so clearly not respecting the other.

 

Probably been posted but cba looking back through the thread

 

I wouldn't normally, but they did just appeal Osvaldo's suspension which was clearly significant enough to fine him £40k, and they've been making a lot of noise about trying to stand up to refs lately. Poor decision making in appeals + desire to prove a point to refs could easily = appealing this with nothing in it.

 

Well Jordan Sibley has spoken publically about it and not indicated there was more, just that we didn't accept the decision. It's feeling a bit embarrassing now....

 

If you are going to sit on the fence until you hear every single minute detail, your backside is going to get very sore.

 

Tbf, to Beef, very little has come out, so perhaps it is better to hold one's fire.

 

Nah I brought a cushion with me.

 

Adam Lallana's friend, THEVMAN, has been over on SaintsWeb...

"Lets just say the comments used are a little more rash than is being documented"

 

Where did he say that?

 

This could drag on and on.

 

so could the case ...

 

Pillow talk?

 

Wondering if it's less "you’re very different now you have played for England, you never used to be like this" and more "you're a right **** now that you've played for England, aren't you?"

 

I don't think Saints should ever have brought this up, just going to drag on unnecessarily and put added pressure on him from other fans. He was in the fairly rare position of being pretty much universally liked by fans of most clubs in my experience. Now he's going to have the piss ripped out of him up and down the land!

 

No. I expect people will make mistakes, and then I expect there to be repercussions for those mistakes. You messed up, sit out a game. I don't see the big deal. It doesn't make you a horrible person. You can make it more mild than that even, and just write it up as an incident and five incidents is a suspension-- similar to the yellow card Lallana received.

Sometimes officials have bad games officiating, are you saying they shouldn't monitor and issue appropriate warnings for officials being bad?

 

I expect you're pretty much bang on with that.

 

Those saying it is OK to have tit for tat are completely missing the point.

A figure of authority be it a policeman, a teacher, a referee has people in their face all the time. People that are shouting obscenities and sometimes even physical abuse.

It is most definitely not OK for them to give as good as they get. It is their duty to apply the applicable punishment as deemed suitable by the law / rules and not make any personal comment on the matter.

So for a policeman, teacher, referee they MUST tow the party line of keeping their calm and saying. If you don't calm down/stop what you're doing or saying etc. then I will have to give the applicable punishment. Therefore a policeman would give a warning and then move onto arrest. A referee would give a warning and then move onto a card of whichever colour. A teacher would give a warning and then move onto the offender being taken to a department head or headteacher.

All these have to follow the same code because they are figures of authority.

Players are not figures of authority. They may be looked at as role models due to the celebrity culture but they have no real influence over any decsions made or any laws that are applied other than their own behaviour. In their case it is a referee's responsibility to apply the law consistently in order to maintain a standard.

So if Lallana said something he should have been carded then and there and not a minute later on the other side of the pitch as well as a personal comment (however petty it may seem to be from current statements.)

The Liverpool fan above is exactly right. Clattenberg has a duty to apply the law correctly. Therefore it should have been a penalty. He should then have kept his mouth shut and issued a yellow card to Lallana if he thought he was out of order for complaining.

This tit for tat argument is just silly. Players and managers are not impartial and are duty bound to do whatever they can to win a match. If they are not being penalised for pushing the boundaries then they will push and push. The referee is impartial and should not be making his own decision on where that boundary should be. That is leading to chaos because we now have some 'soft' refs and some 'zero tolerance' refs. We have some that let some tackles go and some that let none go. We have some that think there is no such thing as ball to hand and others that think that handball has to be a blatent punch. Some that think 'contact' equals a foul and others that think a foul is not a penalty unless you go down.

Discretion is one thing but they all have to get closer to applying the law in the same manner in each game and not deciding for themselves how they want to do it.

Referee's assessors should be demoting more of them like they used to do and for longer than they used to. I remember when D'urso was relegated and I think Marriner was also quite recently but they are only demoted for a few weeks at a time.

So no refs shouldn't be able to give as good as they get. They are in a position of authority and they have to maintain their personal feelings and use the tools at their disposal namely cards.

Remember Elleray on that documentary when Adams called him a cheat? He was miked up and said ' I may make mistakes but I am not a cheat. If you call me a cheat again I will give you a yellow card.' He didn't say anything personal. A direct warning to say 'I am in charge here' and then moved on.

 

For me it seems a very low blow by the PGMOL trying to get media on their side by releasing what allegedly has been said, making Lallana and Southampton look bad. I'm glad we seem to be taking the more professional route as I don't find it necessary to release what has been said in the press, and clearly no-one would raise a case against an official for saying what has been reported, so clearly something else was said.