As I say, what happens at Chelsea is frankly irrelevant to the debate. Not a great deal I can do about how the club is run and by and large we are grateful and lucky for the owner we have. Now as for Matths comment that he 'hates' the Glazers. Just doesn't ring true to me. Just another armchair fan trying to come across as a 'real' fan - much like all his 'give Moyes time threads'. He's so desperate to come across as a non glory hunter from his armchair in Wales. This is someone who had the nerve to have a go at match going United fans for booing.
Fair enough to the bold bit As for your second bit does it really matter The fact you cant get to games doesnt mean that you care any less about your club You follow whichever team you want and its obv installed from a young age Just because he's from Wales doesnt mean he cant hate the Glazers Do you go to your games? I suppose you could easily say yes but who knows If you dont/do go that doesnt mean you cant criticise the awful treatment Rafa got from your fans at games does it Hes entitled to an opinion on the booing and if he goes or not doesnt matter one bit
I don't know what constitutes an average United fan but they bother me for the exact reason I described above. They've taken all that money out of the club, it's pretty simple really. See that massive big **** off hole in the middle of our midfield? That's down to them. A position that's been overlooked and neglected due to Ferguson having to operate with a relatively frugal budget. We've bought players since they've been here, course we have, but he's had to manage the signings to address other issues while making do at CM and now that's come back to bite us in the bollocks. The funds to tempt the likes of Schweinsteiger or Yaya Toure or the many CM's who we've been linked with have never been provided.
Fair response. I'd say marginalising Rooney at the expense of RVP last year won you the title granted, but perhaps that money could have been spent on a midfielder to provide better balance? You did also spend 27 odd on Fellaini that so far hasn't worked out but you have had the chance to improve the midfield.
I think it matters a lot actually. If you are travelling to games, spending hours and money on supporting your team, missing out on family time perhaps as a result. You have a lot more right to vent your anger at under performing millionaires then someone who just switches on sky once a week. Coming from a match going fan of 25 years.
I noticed you used the word fan rather than supporter. I will never agree to booing and all the reasons you just said are through a choice you have made! I certainly don't think it gives you any more rights than someone that doesn't attend matches. Would you like it if that person said you were less of a family man because you choose to go to football rather than spend time with your family?
with regards to booing - i hate it personally, no player deserves it, no matter how bad they play, your there to cheer them on when they win, when they lose and need to lift their spirits as well.
I genuinely believe Fergie was trying to plug the gap by turning Rooney into the creative midfield focal point we desperately need. Rooney wasn't having it though! The Fellaini one is a paradox Yes, they provided the funds but only because they failed to proved them for our proper targets. They ended up paying too much to sign a player who Moyes only went for because he knew he'd sign.
when asked about chelsea state of affairs,you quote"what happens at chelsea is frankly irrelevent to the debate".what i want to know is .why are united forums so relevent to you?
One would assume people who go to games also spend time with their family - everyone needs balance and personal time. Match going family men probably don't spend 20 hours a week playing call of duty as well for example. Booing is really another debate entirely but I really can't see how it can be argued a match going fan doesn't have more right to vent their frustration (or lap in any glory) than an armchair fan - even more so an armchair glory hunter. Can I presume you don't go to Anfield much Gerrez? Much easier to take a bad performance when you don't have a long journey back home and a hole in your pocket where 50 quid used to be. Not rocket science.
I never said you couldn't spend time with family, I asked if you would like it if someone said you were less of a family man because you choose to go to football rather than spend time with your family. With your response, I suspect that was a negative. Still doesn't mean you have more right, it means you have more anger and frustration built up inside as a result but not more right. Just because you attend the game doesn't automatically mean you get more pissed off with the result but it perhaps does ruin your day more since you have the travelling back to endure. In fact, I'm pretty sure I know people that don't attend and get a lot more pissed off when their team loses than most do that do attend. Each down to each individual. No amount of reasoning will change my mind on that, attend or not, will all love the club and feel pain when we lose or play badly. People that take the stance of a match going fan is above a armchair fan is similar to the family question. Neither scenario mean you love or loathe anymore or any less than the other I don't get to Anfield as much as I'd like because of other commitments and the financial strain.
You've missed his point. He thinks that an armchair criticising match going fans for venting their spleen by booing at the match, is tad rich & he's right.
I didn't miss the point at all. I don't think it is rich, I think people of all walks of life are entitled to an opinion. As I said above; "No amount of reasoning will change my mind on that, attend or not, will all love the club and feel pain when we lose or play badly." You and 100 think its alright to boo and I don't, that's fair enough. However, what i will argue against is the suggestion that match going fans are above armchair fans when it comes to opinions!
