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What if Red Bull and Vettel were cheating?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by dhel, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I'll scour the internet for news of any escapees, meanwhile start moving all the sharp objects out of sight.
     
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  2. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    Mercedes poaches two senior engineers from Red Bull

    19 December, 2013

    Mercedes F1 team has poached two important engineers from Formula 1′s dominant quadruple world championship team Red Bull, according to the German newspaper Bild.

    The report said vehicle dynamics chief Mark Ellis, and simulation boss Giles Wood, have both been poached by Mercedes.

    “Not a nice Christmas surprise for Sebastian Vettel!” Bild correspondent Nicola Pohl surmised.

    She said both engineers are due to start work at Brackley in June next year. (GMM)


    I wonder how will Red Bull respond.... several of their top people are off to other teams. Will something come out of this? Only time will tell.
     
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  3. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    There is always movement afoot! However, I think any impact will not be felt until 2015, and I don't expect Red Bull to go backwards next season. Besides, Newey's soft style of management has always brought out the best in others: he steers his team (ship) with a beautiful subtlety…
     
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  4. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Didn't they lose their aerodynamacist not so long ago too?
     
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  5. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    The reason for people leaving RBR to other teams is because of these 3 simple psychopathic facts which I cannot stop hearing in my head:

    1# Vettel is leaving...

    2# Newey is retiring...

    3# They're getting more money + less time having to stare at Marko's face...


    Or it could be all 3...
     
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  6. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    Red bull personnel have been going out to McLaren, Williams and Mercedes. I wonder why they are leaving a 4xWCC team. New challenge, they want to come out of neweys shadow or are they banking on the success of the team to get a better contract else where?
     
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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    ... Or maybe like the voices in silver's head are saying. Other key staff maybe leaving too.
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Voices in your head should always be followed <ok>
     
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  9. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    I think maybe they are tired of hearing Its Newey and Vettel. Maybe they are anxious of getting out of Newey's shadow and make a name for themselves. That a challenge that will make cause them to excel in their new teams,
     
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  10. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I think it's probably #4

    #4. They were offered a big pile of Green stuff. (Not Astro-turf)
     
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  11. BrightLampShade

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  12. VettelforPresident

    VettelforPresident New Member

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    People have left Redbull because Hamilton has thrown his toys out the pram and Bernie has gotten sick and tired of listening to him whine.

    I would laugh so hard if Redbull still won despite Mercedes being given a blatant advantage in terms of engine development. Rumours are that it will be almost 100BHP more powerful over that of the competition.

    Hamilton just whines as soon as he stops getting his way.

    His overall attitude stinks!
     
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  13. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    I Havnt heard a Hamilton tangent in ages..
     
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  14. VettelforPresident

    VettelforPresident New Member

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    Well that's generally because anyone that makes a quip or a negative comment about him in this place tends to get banned...or berated.

    You know it's happening behind the scenes.
     
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  15. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    You are funny:grin: I think you are Lewis' greatest fan on this forum. Lol. Maybe Vettel will join mercedes next..and you will get a chance to root for your two favorites. The president and Vice President.....lol watch out!
     
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  16. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Good times :)

    Although with Webber and Schumacher gone who else is there?
     
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  17. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    And no Di resta... I have my pitch fork ready for maldo next year.
     
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  18. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    Oh by the way.....




    gptoday.com

    Lewis Hamilton: 2013 Driver of the Year
    Lewis Hamilton has scooped the Grand Prix 247 Formula 1 Driver of the Year for 2013! He narrowly beat Romain Grosjean and Sebastian Vettel to the top prize.

    Hamilton defied his critics in 2013 as he thrived in the first year he spent outside the McLaren corporate cocoon, which had nurtured him from his preteens until his mid-twenties, while helping establish Mercedes as a force at the pinnacle of F1 in the process.

    Many slagged off Hamilton for defecting to the Silver Arrows, predicting doom and gloom, those who did are now eating humble pie because the Briton grew in stature while his former team plummeted to embarrassing lows.



    Was it because Hamilton left the Woking outfit that they suffered such a woeful season? Perhaps not, but credit for good timing to jump ship by the 2008 F1 World Champion.

    At Mercedes he entered a domain obviously dominated by Germans &#8211; very foreign and very different for the chap from Stevenage &#8211; where Nico Rosberg was the main man, but with Niki Lauda on Hamilton&#8217;s side he was soon part of the family and at the end of the day they finished second in the Constructors&#8217; World Championship.

    The Mercedes boys and girls, along with good mate Rosberg himself welcomed Hamilton to the fold. Although there were early teething problems, he settled into the team and in Hungary scored his first victory as a Mercedes driver.



    This came a few weeks after Hamilton looked set to win the British Grand Prix. He was in the zone all weekend on home soil, supreme in qualifying and proceeded to take a commanding early lead in the race. Then a Pirelli blowout struck while he was leading comfortably.

    The incident happened shortly after the start-finish line which meant a full lap on a shredded left rear, few would have given him any chance of recovering to fourth place, which he promptly did. He then joined the team celebrating Rosberg&#8217;s inherited victory. A Champion performance, a sportsman through and through.

    During the latter half of the season he was the only one to really threaten Red Bull in qualifying. Before each session, with Sebastian Vettel in domination mode, you always felt that Hamilton could give him a good run for his money and often he did. But the Mercedes W04 was no Red Bull RB9&#8230;



    It was also interesting to note that Rosberg was no slouch, surprisingly fast in fact, and at the start of the season the German was on fire, winning twice. That kind of performance would have stumped most team newcomers, but not Hamilton who instead upped his game and stuck to his plan. In the end he outscored Rosberg, ending the season stronger of the two &#8211; beating him in the final championship standings.

    During the course of the season many were confounded by Hamilton&#8217;s new best friend routine with Fernando Alonso &#8211; the two having clashed so famously in 2007 as McLaren drivers, yet Hamilton was always &#8216;bigging up&#8217; the Spaniard &#8211; but it was a no doubt a ploy to try and destabilise a rampant Vettel. It did not work for, but kudos to Hamilton for really scraping the barrel to obtain alternative ammo, and possibly creating an alliance which could still play in his favour in years to come.



    In the end Mercedes did not give either of their drivers the tools to beat Red Bull, but they did come close, they were best of the rest and no doubt will get there one day. But for now credit to them for upping their game and establishing themselves as a title contending team, and a big dollop of thanks for this must go to Hamilton.

    Off track Roscoe was an interesting addition to Hamilton&#8217;s entourage, while the absence of homies in the pit garage was a relief and although affairs of the heart were worn on his sleeve it did not seem to impact his on track form.

    Perhaps the best way to understand Hamilton is to accept that despite being 28 years old he is now living an unspent youth in fast forward, he wants to be the coolest nerd on a F1 grid full of nerds. Hence the tattoos, Twitter rants, Instagram selfies, rap wannabe life style, gangsta shades and the naive Pussycat Dolls relationship dramas. We must indulge him these fads.



    On track, where he does his real business, Hamilton is the best of the best. In Gilles Villeneuve style he will drive whatever you give him blisteringly quickly, no holds barred and he adds to that ethos by being a great racer with a big heart, which he allows all to see beating.

    Lewis is &#8216;The Dude&#8217; and without him Formula 1 would be a lot duller and for sure a lot poorer &#8211; race wins beckon, Championships beckon &#8211; and in 2013 he provided the entertainment which made Vettel&#8217;s quadruple title rampage bearable. Thank you Lewis, our Driver of the Year!

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  19. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    To be honest Cosicave was one of only a few here who gaveLewis Hamilton a chance of winning with his new team this year and very few had mercedes to come in the first five. I was just checking back predictions for 2013 and almost everyone had mercedes as the team to be a big flop... They didn't give them a fighting chance so I think they are the team that improved most and Lewis must be given a big plus for moving into a losing team that was given no chance of placing furthermore winning a race and placing high in the drivers championship and also pulling his team to second in the constructors. I want to see Vettel move Red Bull and show us that he can move and still perform at the top. This will confirm his "great" status and will leave no doubt in anyone's mind where he stands overall in formula1.
     
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  20. u408379965

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    <laugh> Brackley's only 60 miles from Stevenage. <doh>
     
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