Guys look at the positives from our perspective another club with internal crisis's only strengthens our position, like the next person I don't like seeing people lose their job, but turmoil behind the scene's can quite easily transfer onto the pitch. Detach yourself away from an ex player being unfairly sacked by dystopian tyrant of owner and look at how we can benefit.
I suppose it sums up the hierarchy in the footballing world well, let's face it we're not exactly short on despots.
I'd say it sums up British football as a whole, not just those at the top: i.e. as far removed from Utopia as you could get!
okay, I am confused now - is football a sport, business or charity While I am well aware that these owners put money in (in the case of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Hull, Cardiff for example), it is also rarely entirely for free, they are taking money back out too. Hardly a totally selfless act is it. In the case of Tan, he appears to be a bit of a gold speculator, hoping to transform the club in to something he can sell the debt on to for a profit. In the Case of our beloved 'little' club it is different, you are right, as Delia & co are not in it for the long term financial rewards, but I don't see too many sign of fans not appreciating what has been done in years gone by by these good people. But then, as these very people actually love the game and club, they do not go out of their way to make radical changes to earn a few short-medium term $$$'s - and this is quite a difference, and where the appreciation factor is tested. If the likes of Tesco's, Asda, Waitrose or wherever people do their food shopping, begin a campaign that for whatever reason you don't approve of or appreciate, you walk away and shop elsewhere. As you know, football is not like that and we do not really have that option (because of some irrational love for the club), and that is why there is resistance or the apparent lack of appreciation. I am sure that even you can see that, and why I (and perhaps others) are bewildered at your defence of the people who are trying to implement radical changes to a club and it's history, not to mention the culture.
Sorry Thai, I must take you to task here. Our love for Norwich City is no more "irrational" than our love for our wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend or pet dog. It is a part of who we are, thankfully.
Loving a spouse or close relative is natural and understandable. "Loving" eleven guys, who most of haven't even met, who run around in the cold and get covered in mud and sometimes kick lumps out of each other - "loving" them, simply because of the colour shirt they wear would be deemed irrational by many ancient tribes. Or aliens, or Vulcans
My wife definitely thinks it's irrational, and contributing to this board even more so, but I still think a lot more of her than Ipswich! Little does she know that it's also educational - 'dystopian'! On the serious side, I definitely agree with Thai about the advantages of having major shareholders who care rather than those who want an executive toy or a quick buck, or in the case of the Glasers, a place to dump debts abroad. It's amazing that City's £23m debt has been wiped out and there is still money in the transfer budget. Credit to Mr McNally for that as well.
I know it won't happen,but I would love it,just love it,if Malky went to Anfield and got the same result as he did at our place.
@Confused of Chiang Mai Sport, business, charity? Well may you ask. There used to be a saying that owning a boat is like standing under a cold shower tearing up $100 bills. For the vast majority of club owners, the experience is much the same, except that the sums are much greater and instead of standing under a cold shower it is more like being in the stocks having rotten fruit hurled at you by disgruntled fans. Regarding owners taking money out, do you really believe that owning a football club is a good way of making money rather than losing it? How many football clubs pay shareholder dividends? (Arsenal Holdings have not paid a dividend in living memory, and Kroenke takes nothing out of the club.) Club directors (including our own), usually receive some level of remuneration for their services, just as CEOs, managers and other staff do, all of which features as club expenditure and is subject to normal business rules etc. Any such remuneration is peanuts in comparison with the sums these guys put in. The only real hope such owners have of making anything on their "investment" is by growing shareholder value over the long term. In most cases that it no more than a forlorn hope. Would you buy shares in a football club in the hope of eventually turning a big profit? A lot of talk on here about owners looking to make "a quick buck". Can anyone actually give me an example of someone who has "invested" in a football club and made a lot of money? Regarding owners and fans, it is rather like bosses and unions. Both can in theory prosper if both accept that they have a common interest and pursue it together. But if one side pursues their interest at the expense of the other, neither will prosper. If you look at the success of German companies compared with our own and ask why there is such a disparity, the answer very often lies in the working alliance between owners, managers and workforce in Germany, as opposed to the grudging industrial relations battleground that is UK industry. If fans want wealthy investors to come in and rescue their clubs from administration or going out of existence, or even just to enhance the club's prospects of success, they must accept that those owners have legitimate interests which need to be to acknowledged and respected. Part of that IMO involves accepting that the way things have always been is not necessarily the best,
Chiang Mai? Close but no banana You have hit the nail on the head with that statement. Did you see the Cardiff fans at Liverpool today? VC has driven a wedge bigger than ours has even been under CH! and I am certain that the maniac in Hull will do exactly the same, to the determent of both clubs. We perhaps should not complain because any team that is in turmoil can only be of benefit to us. All the same, I would rather not see these divides being created by greedy businessmen that have no interest in the game, other than what they can get out of it It is worth bearing in mind that not all is change is for the better, and as supporter emotions are a fairly crucial factor in the case of football, owners should perhaps be a little bit more 'conservative' when it comes to their ambitions. There are ways and means of conducting business and both of the culprits (Tam & Allem) are doing it horribly wrong. This is not just a personal opinion. This is echoed throughout the world now, including Malaysia (in the case of VC). What both owners have in common is that they are ploughing forward with what they want, without what I would call 'proper' consultation with the people that are paying customers. This applies more to Allem, he has given more than a little clear evidence that he simply does not care what the Hull City fans think.
@ThaiCanary Pursuing the common interest together is impossible if either side rejects any change out of hand. You see only the owners digging their heels in. I see (time and again) fans digging their heels in, frequently over things that are of questionable importance to the true interests of the club, as in the case of the proposed name change at Hull. Also, as previously said, the activist fans are the ones who make the noise, but they may well not be representative of a club's fans as a whole. There is no obligation for owners to accede to minority opinion. As always in these matters, if you want your voice to count, make sure you are representative, and make sure your case is solid.
Just seen this rumour in today's Sunday Fail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tipped-replace-Malky-Mackay-Cardiff-City.html. I feel that these foreign owners are just using clubs as 'a toy' and a means of spending some of their wealth. Whilst fans may initially welcome these 'knights on white chargers', you have to be wary of their ulterior motives. Despite carrabuh saying he'd welcome foreign investment at CR, I'm COMPLETELY against it.
Especially as we are now debt free. Any foreign investment is certain to need repaying at some point, meaning the likelyhod of being plunged back into debt.
It seems pretty clear to me than Tan has lost his grasp on reality,if indeed he ever had any in the sense that we would understand.A few Cardiff fans put up a half hearted defence of Tan's strategy but you can tell that they don't believe it themselves.I think the equivalent would have been us sacking Lambert half way through our first season in the Premiership. I think the most likely explanation is narcissism or megalomania.
