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Rodgers - Take a Bow, Son!

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Kifflom!, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    They were warned about tan within a month of him being there that they should beware of foreigners baring gifts. If its sounds dodgy it nearly is dodgy. He has never had the best interest towards the cardiff fans from day one and only for himself and what he can make from the venture because thats all it is is a venture and the minute he see's that he cant make a profit he will collect all his money and sell up...You don't invest in the asian market more than your own city and you don't appease asia countries with rebranding to make it look like its their club while taking money off the true fans which incidentally have been relegated to just paying customers...This man needs to be investigated thoroughly as is intentions towards cardiff is flawed at every corner if you look closely...
     
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  2. ProjectVRD

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    That there is the difference. I wouldn't go as far saying we saw him as a messiar, but most Jacks had an idea that he would maybe invest a small amount and stabilise the club and it was never disputed he would sell up. It's just that it was expected he would leave Swansea City in a better state than when he bought it.

    I suppose the only way I describe where I am coming from is nobody expected a man with his cash and £50,000 for a player being a lot for our club would actually sack players and staff in the manner he did with nothing in place to rectify it. We knew there was trouble before him and that he couldn't have possibly left it in such a bad state in such a short amount of time, what he ended up doing is quite unique, he successfully broke every rule book in not only football business but business itself. It is akin to a creditor buying HMV and selling the stores not seeking a buyer for the warehouse stock which means no business model what so ever.

    It changed all so quickly but on that day the news broke he bought us we not disappointed at all. But don't forget he left after the terminal damage was done, Tan has yet to do that but he might be heading there.
     
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  3. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    messiah
     
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  4. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    And him <laugh>
     
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  5. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    I agree the writing was on the wall prior to his arrival & when he came he wasn't long in showing his true intentions , as you say hindsight is a wonderful thing but Tan has been at this project for nearly 3 years with all the early warning signs in place .I firmly believe that what Petty did was the best thing to have happened to the club otherwise we'd have probably continued as before yo yo ing between divisions without a pot to p*** in . We took control of our own destiny that day when the Trust took over and for that I'm forever in their debt . Trouble with ccfc situation is that the monetary values are so great they dwarf anything we had to contend with ( as large they were then) and would there be the desire & financial clout be there to try to undertake an operation to seize back control from Tan
     
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  6. ProjectVRD

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    There only chance would be to wrestle control if a liquidator came in and buy it on the cheap from the administrator. Despite the debt, an admin could in theory accept something as low as £1,000,000 providing their is a proviso in place to pay a bit more when a working business is established. This is a rosy outlook though if the fan was hit by the shizzle.
     
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  7. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    There was a thread on the Cardiff board a few days ago where a number of Cardiff fans were actually taking the piss out of us jacks because we were 'upset' that they weren't angry with Tan.
    I just remember thinking, why would we be upset that you don't care your club is being ripped apart?
    They've defended Tan to the hilt and buried their heads firmly in the sand.
    I'm not saying that what is happening is deserved, but they have done absolutely nothing to prevent it.
    Far worse times ahead imo, this is just the beginning.
     
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  8. Viking_Jock

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    As entertaining as Tan is, I can't help but think that Malky is in way over his head, PL manager and all.

    Football always has room for one more Jesus Gil y Gil. Tan suits Cardiff just fine, they just haven't realised that they found love. They'll come around I'm sure.
     
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  9. Shaper

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    For me, this is a 'reap what you sow' scenario. It is comparable to our situation with Petty, but only up to the point where they accepted it.
    They've decided to invite the vampire through the door where we went and got the garlic and holy water!
    What's worse, when he started acting up, they put the old battered wife defence of, "but he really does love us".

    I want to be clear. I hate Cardiff City. If they go into administration and end up in The Welsh Premier League, I'll be happy, but you can't remove the human element to this where fans have tried to support a club that has consistently let them down. We can all preach the walking in the streets and not allowing it to happen, but if the club acts with no remorse, they can do nothing.

    Do I feel sorry for Cardiff City Football Club? no. Do I feel sorry for the fans? A little, yeah.
     
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  10. swantastic

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    It must be sickening for all the normal cdiff fans after donkeys years waiting to get up here its all going Peter tong !
    And talk of a Turk or a hoddle maybe taking over as manager is bazaar when just surviving their first season in the prem should be priority for them not self destructing before half way !
    It'll be interesting to watch how it will all pan out as there's many scenarios further down the line that can come from this . Maybe it'll turn out well for them or be a disaster with tans strange ways but if they eventually get shot of him at least they may be able to reverse the rebranding and start again. Maybe ?
     
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  11. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    How do you define "normal" the majority welcomed him with open arms and would have trampled over each over in their race to get to the "promised land" (what a sh*t3 awful statement that is ) well their there now but at what cost to the club.it maybe too late to start forming protest groups , somas proven will accept anything as long as they have that PL badge on their replica shirts.
     
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  12. Kifflom!

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    Over the past months when I've gone onto the Cardiff board and told them what I think of Tan I've been banned on one occasion, threatened with another ban on more than one occasion and taken loads of abuse on numerous occasions.

    Only now, when he's about to get rid of a decent manager that almost none of the fans want sacked do a few come out and say they're upset. They say they don't have a choice and that effectively Tan has got them by the balls. Are they right? I'm not so sure.

    Tan has publicly said that if the fans upset him he'll sell up - so make him upset by boycotting the next home game en mass. If only a few thousand turned up with the rest protesting in the streets he may do what he promised and **** off. Surely anything is better than what's going on there now?

    [EDIT: Looks like they've now banned me again despite many posters agreeing with me. Or was it because I called Hughs a moronic dullard?] <laugh>
     
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  13. ThaiCanary

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    I am of the opinion that he has got them by the balls, as most of the fans have been gagging for top flight football and want to keep it if at all possible, at all costs it would seem.

    Above all else this season, I want to see the FA to tell Allem to sod off with his plans for Hull, and Tan to sod off back to Malaysia - for the good of the British game. If these two can continue the way they are heading, it is only a matter of time before more foreign owners, with no understanding of the game of culture, can come in and rip out the heart of other clubs and create general mayhem.
     
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  14. Kifflom!

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    Well it's good to see that other fans feel the same, Thai. Some on the Cardiff board were actually suggesting a Swans conspiracy yesterday, including the fact that Rodgers only said what he did because he used to manage here. <doh>

    But we have shown in the past that when fans rise up as one you can oust unwanted owners. Thing is, it won't happen at Cardiff because even now Tan has his defenders.
     
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  15. ThaiCanary

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    Norwich fans did it some years ago too, when a certain Robert Chase started selling of our best players (within a few months of each other), which resulted in relegation from the PL the same season. We were 4th when he sold the first player in December!
     
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  16. Kifflom!

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    ..But that kind of fan power needs a united front with thousands involved. At the moment I don't see anything of the sort at Cardiff, where many don't seem to think Tan has done much wrong at all. One poster said recently that had it not been for the change of colour to the kit Tan would be a "hero". As if sacking your Head of Recruitment and replacing him with an unqualified illegal immigrant and then publicly dressing down a Manager who has done a decent job is all OK.

    If others think like that you're never going to get thousands on the street.
     
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  17. ThaiCanary

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    I think we had demo's up to 2,000 strong outside the ground for a few weeks, and he eventually backed down and walked. Took nearly a year to get to that stage though.


    As an aside...The plot thickens....according to Sky Sports News, Tan has been in contact with 4 potential replacements already (no idea if that is just today though)
     
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  18. ValleyGraduate12

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    They've got nobody to blame but themselves. Plenty of us have warned them what could hsppen and everything we said id now unfolding in front of them and there is nothing they can do about it.
     
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  19. Kifflom!

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    Interesting....isn't Mackay still the Manager? <doh>

    The Turkish guy linked with them never stays at any club longer than a season - a 30 year career in management and he always resigns or is sacked after a season and resigned from his latest post in May. I also think he's only managed in Turkey but I may be wrong on that. No wonder Tan is looking at other options.

    Their fans seem to think managers will be "queueing up". I think not. They'll get someone but I'll be shocked if it's anyone in demand.

    They are now linked, however, with a 'household name' at another British Club. Interesting.
     
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