No Stan There are very few new twists or turns, no real new insight either, so keeping them all in one thread will make it easier to track whats going on!
No Happy - I went back and found 'We Are Not Alone...!!!' to post on ( = no new thread) before they all got merged.
Craig in Nottingham , Just a bit of advice which you are obviously free to ignore but in the grand scheme of things nobody really cares about your 'reputation' on here You could probably find something better to do with your time
****ing hell. You should rebrand yourself as Craig Conspiracy. It's flashy and will attract new support to your cause. You should have no problem committing to the rebrand as you embrace change and favour positive rebranding over tradition.
But he is fairly bonkers, I think you'll find pretty much everyone accepts that to some degree. As for the other things, you're getting well ahead of yourself, the fan ownership proposal is a long way off. We have a trust to sort next year and even what that's done, we're still a long way off being able to lay out detailed plans for any involvement in the club.
I'm not getting ahead of myself. So there it is. CTWD have an agenda apart from the name change. They dont support Mr Allam. They want rid of him and stand in his place.
Why are you trying to belittle and dismiss what you Obi and Exiled clearly discussed and posted. Do you deny that is the long term aim ??
Disappointed? Really? If there ever was a man to be associated with Hull who deserves honours in his name like statues, buildings etc. it's Assem Allam. And you'd be disappointed if OLM didn't want him gone? I'm certain I must've took what you wrote the wrong way, elaborate...
Actually, I'm confused now OLM. It's quite clear(ish) from Obi and Exiled, and CTWD that they want to buy Dr Allam out, and to install a 5 year serving President who would be voted in based on how much money he's willing/able to give to the club. I get the principle, its how the Spanish and Italians work (I think). In the bit highlighted in bold in Chazz's statement, you seem to infer this is possible if you (CTWD presumably or this other Tigers Coop thing) get to £80m. One bit I'm confused about, because I'm not really up with how this works, with a president, who owns the club? Would in our case, Dr Allam still own the club, or would it be owned by the supporters thingy that votes in a new Prez every 5 years? Surely if you got 80m from somewhere, that is the price to pay Dr Allam off, or is that to buy a share in the club to work alongside him? Is this what you support, or is it something else? Is this what CTWD is planning to do or not? Aren't these presidents in those countries generally REALLY loaded and what amount would you expect a President to raise for Hull? I realise you might not be able to answer all of the above, and it might fall to Obi or Exiled to chip in, but I'd be interested to hear your (and their) stance on all this. I'd also love to know exactly what CTWDs plans are for this shared ownership or proposed total buy out thing are. Soz if I'm being dense here, just after some unambiguous and honest clarifications.
CTWD are not planning to take over the club, we are aiming to set up a trust that could potentially take a stake and give the fans a voice on the board(as has been done very successfully at Swansea), but this is very much in it's infancy and there are no detailed proposals yet. Once there is a serious proposal, rest assured I'll post the details. The discussions on CI, which are those of individual posters, rather than the views of CTWD as a group, are discussing hypothetically what could happen if AA decided he wanted out. There is a feeling that the threat of reduced funding is being used to get people to agree to a name change and the CI thread was about the fact that AA has said he's not putting any cash in beyond sorting the striker situation in January and what that means for the club. The £80m I mentioned is the minimum income I believe a Premier League club needs to generate annually to be competitive. At the moment, we're £72m in debt(and rising) and many of us believe that the current actions of our owner(both the name change and the apparent refusal to address the obvious issues with the club locally) are going to negatively impact on revenue and the financials are going to get considerably worse. I don't think anyone would argue that it would be better for the club to work with the fans, rather than against them and there's an opportunity here to do exactly that, but it seems that there's only one willing party and that's a crying shame.
Ah ok cheers for that OLM. So there's no plans to oust Dr Allam, which is good to hear. So rather than a Spanish/Italian type model, you'd prefer what Swansea's done? Is that how its done in Germany? What % would a trust end up with and how much power do they have in the saying of how a clubs run? I guess the President of the Supporters Trust would be the elected one, to represent the members of the trust on the board, is that how that works? I assume they're subject to the fit and proper owner rules and would need to guarantee x amount of funding? Sounds an interesting proposition tbh, providing we could find people with enough funding to do it I guess and a lot more details. Im sure if a Trust was formed that actually had the funds available and was properly formed and regulated, Dr Allam would happily sit down and talk to them, long as no one sat there like a rude prick with an iPad Sorry for more questions, this is genuinely a new concept to me and I'm intrigued.
another major annoyance are 'bags for life' buy one of them only for you to lose the bastard for the next shop. oh and ppl that push every single thread into arguing for the name change thing. If only! those that don't like it would start to boycott games and deny AA the financial income, if only!
