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Examining Glen Johnson- divided opinion

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by BCR, Dec 17, 2013.

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Should he stay or should he go?

Poll closed Jan 16, 2014.
  1. He is a seasoned player, yes he should stay

    36.4%
  2. He is ****ing ****e, get him to **** pronto!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Sell him for only the right price otherwise keep him

    27.3%
  4. Keep him if he agrees to lower his wages

    36.4%
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  1. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ns-liverpool-form-and-his-england-credentials The site has the stats images and charts but I am not good at copying and pasting the image.



     
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  2. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Thread needs a #poll.

    I vote yes.
     
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  3. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I was disappointed with him v Spurs but didn't want to be Mr Gloomy when the overall display was so good. As far as full back play goes he was terrible.

    Most of his errors were mentioned above but add a total inability to block a cross which is again one of the basics of playing as a full back.

    If we are offered good money for him then I'd take it, he can be a good player but he's not someone that we have to keep.
     
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  4. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    He's not committed, refused to get his future with us sorted last summer and his attitude in recent games shows his heart really isn't fully in the club.

    If he goes I'll drive him to the airport as long as I'm given time steal a car.<ok>
     
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  5. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    He's the only natural, wide right defensive player we have. When he plays, we have width and an attacking outlet. When he doesn't play, we are narrow or lacking an option on the counter.

    That doesn't mean he's good though. Just the best we have.
     
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  6. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    I agree, think that's why he messed us around with his contract talks, he's knows the importance of his position in Rodgers tactics and wants more money, but on his day he can be superb but those days ain't happening to often recently.
     
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  7. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    Basically this - but there is real competition in the England set up with walker and Richards so I thought he would step up this season but he really hasn't and angers me most games
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    here are my thoughts and opinions on glen Johnson

    1. he has this season looked lighter and fitter. He had in the past frankly looked a bit fat.

    2. he is terrible at set piece time. I just think its a case of horses for courses and why for example rodgers though... hmmm lukaku form set piece.. lets stick glen on him. post marker and wall man for me!

    3. he is on CL wages, his arrival fee is now irrelevant, that was paid in G&H times and is not recoupable anyway. its all about wages.

    4. Is his return this year that good? I don't know. He's not really for me created much not scored. I think its more about his position and the threat than the return this year.

    5. luv is right, its fairly basic to block crosses and he just doesn't. they get by him far far too much. there was one off the byline v spurs that was criminal.
     
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  9. Where's the "he's our best option at present but I reckon BR will sell him" option?
     
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  10. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Show me somebody better in the Premiership in his position? If you can find a better option then fine - provided that this player does prove o be a better option. Until such times he a keeper!
     
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  11. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    While at this minute I agree Dave if his contribution or lack of it as well as the sheer number of times he gives the ball away and stops still (I don't necessarily mean chase back as under this system that seems to be a CM's and Skerts role) I mean attempt to recover the ball while it's in front of him, he, just like when he's defending stands, still and watches the opposition player he gave the ball deliver it into the space he vacated.

    I mean even in the Spurs game he gave the ball away 5 times, and I mean not once was it a difficult pass attempted.

    So if this form continues, and by form I mean attitude to his bloody job then he's not going to be the best we have and he doesn't deserve to stay and pick up 100k a week when there's players like Flanagan who in the 90 minutes will give you 100%.

    At 30 he doesn't have time to have half season slumps in form or attitude and expect to stay. He's not a striker who you could say, well he'll get you the odd goal or two. More likely cost you a goal at the minute.

    His ability doesn't exist if it's no longer actually applied. And on current form I'd certainly not be looking at contract extensions, definitely not at 100k a week.
     
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  12. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    frank, I really meant it when I said "If you can find a better option then fine - provided that this player does prove to be a better option." We don't have better presently in our squad. Cissokho proves that there are big reputations out there who do not match what Johnson provides for all his shortcomings.
     
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  13. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Oh I know Dave, and if it's just a dip in form I most certainly agree.

    My question back was really how long would you give him playing like this before current form/attitude/application becomes his standard and he can no longer be seen as "best option out there" or value for money?

    Are we getting 100k performances and if not we might as well have the same average performance from a "lesser" player for half that money. At least the attitude would be right.

    Not sure I'm explaining myself right here.

    I mean if he basically turns into Berbatov, technically better than most but pointless because you only see the benefits of that ability once every 5 games.
     
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  14. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    We keep him until such times as Rodgers and his Committee find somebody better - then we say "thank you and goodbye" - simples ;)
     
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  15. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    He's earning over 100k a week but performs nothing like that.

    FSG will see that as poor value for money (so do I). Whether he's the best option or not right now is irrelevant, they'll be looking to flog him and buy in a better player or at least one who's better value for money. The fact that he's being shown up by Flanno isn't helping his case.
     
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  16. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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    After luis, he is my favourite Liverpool player. He's been mostly cack since he came back from injury though, and Flanangan is showing up ALL the full backs at the club, imo. That said, either I'm reading this thing wrong (probably!) or it actually says Johnson has no assists this season. Er, the cross for our third goal against West ham? Besides which, and I know it was only Fulham, but his first game back after injury I thought he was sound.

    Nonetheless, I feel his age and the fact that Brendan inherited him goes against him. I suspect, whether he signs a new contract or not, Brendan will have someone lined up in the summer, especially if we do make the CL.

    Edit: Oh, and he's still ****ing better than Walker!
     
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  17. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who that replacement is Dave and even if I did it would just be name throwing - it's up to BR to see his short comings and find better, and I do trust that he sees what we see and will act on this! Not sure it would be in January but certainly next summer I don't see GJ as a Liverpool player any more.

    He gets my support however every time he is in the line up and I hope he starts to perform the way we have seen him do so in the past <ok>
     
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  18. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    That argument does not hold water. His wages only come into play when there is an equal or better lower cost option. Until then the going rate for that level of quality is approx £100K
     
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  19. Foredeckdave

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    MSG, I think the majority of us feel the same <ok>
     
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  20. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    It comes into the equation if his dip in form becomes relatively permanent to the point that he's not playing any better than anyone else out there and it's renegotiating time. He's thirty, if he's got two years left, who's going to buy and pay him the same money for the kind of displays this season?

    I know he extended in 2011; does anyone know for how long? I hope it doesn't turn into a Downing situation where we pay high for nothing because we gave him a giant extension!

    It's why I say thankyou for these new performance plans we apparently do.
     
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