I agree that it looks very dodgy indeed, but I don't think you can find someone guilty because things look dodgy. Sometimes things look dodgy, but everything is above board. Coincidences do happen. This agent may well be guilty, so the solution is for the Swans to report him. If they don't then they will be seen a condoning it. I agree that dodgy agents should be kicked out, but you can't do that if everyone just ignores the problem. So now it's up to the Swans.
The thing is the same thing happened with Martinez, he was tapped up by Whelan , everybody knew it, but I don't think the same thing applies to managers as to players, so we had grin and bear it, not quite sure about Scotland, but we got rewarded for both to the tune of £4m that enabled us to eventually land up where we have
Have a read of this. I know you will say this is biased, because it's written by an agent, but this is my understanding of how they work. I agree with the agent that a lot more goes on behind the scenes than most people realise. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article6939848.ece
It is biased , hundreds of transactions could happen without any agent at all, I reiterate that agents have no useful function in a large majority of cases, for example a player's deal is coming up for renewal , they obviously want a good deal, anyone with half a brain can negoitiate a good deal, you use a solicitor to ensure the legal side of things, something an agent would do anyway, and you have a deal without the expense of an agent leeching off a player or club!
Bangkok, are you sure you are a Swans fan! You have far too much of a stoic attitude towards these debates (not that that's a bad thing). But stoicism and being a fan of a football club/country/anything are too complete extremes which would not go hand in hand. Either that or you are Yoda/ the Dalai Lama in disguise. JMO
LOL. Definitely a Swans fan. Went to my first match at Vetch when they played Northampton, probably around 1973-5 time. It was their lowest crowd ever at the time. Just over 1,000. I just like to look at the bigger picture. I can't see the point in saying something's wrong if it happens to the Swans but ok if it happens to someone else. I like to win fairly, as otherwise there is no point winning. So I don't like it when fans slate some Swans players about their loyalty when they want to leave and then in the same breath say they want a player from another club to be disloyal so that he can come to the Swans. I just think it works both way. If you agree with player loyalty, then fair enough, but stick to your principles. I don't mean you, I mean football fans in general. I don't think loyalty matters at all. It helps in some cases, but it is the club that counts. Players come and go all the time and that is a natural part of the game and a natural part of life.
Perfectly relaxed, just love a good debate. Jager's pointed some things out that I wasn't aware of and now I'm not so pro-agents, although I don't think I will ever come round to his way of thinking. But it's fun to explore these issues. I have no idea what a mikon is. Please enlighten me.
As far as I am concernend this has been orchestrated by Taylor and his reps, he can move on, a largely untested and untried raw left back, let us down badly when push came to shove up in Nottingham. Lets be honest has only got a Welsh call up due to the dearth of talent we actually have available, phuck him
I haven't had a chance to read through every post on this thread, but I have a question. Why are people screaming for a 2/3/4 Million quid tag on this boy? He's good, I can see that, but he only played half the games this season and showed himself to be a bit of a hot-head in a high pressure situation. Again, I can see he's good because I've watched him play the games, but to an outsider (and I'm assuming Newcastle didn't have a scout at all 28 appearances just to watch him) could look at those two stats and say, "£1 M seems fair. Lets have a speculative look." We may be able to see that he's a talent and I'd prefer to have him in our side that anyone's that we have to play, but I can see why £1M might feel like a fair offer to Newcastle. All that said, Huw Jenkins has held a justified hard line with players in the past and I think on those occasions he did the right thing. Robinson alone shows that. Brendon appears to be on the same page as Huw and I think they're right. Players in Swansea who want to be Swansea players.
Now I am not a fan of agents but I think in Taylors case a majority are being a bit quick to blame the agent or the player, including myself, I previously stated that if he doesn't want to be here then go without really thinking about the view of the player that "helll I may as well see what they are willing to offer me" But I think two situations may have been overlooked which could easily explain the bid by Newcastle and it's perceived low level and really neither the player or agent to blame. 1. Newcastle actually contacted Swansea about his availability and the board have told them that a million will get you the time to talk to him but we will negotiate a price depending whether he wants to leave or not. 2. Newcastle have just got lucky! Could have valued him at 2/3 million but put in a cheeky bid to test our resolve, possibly unsettle the player and have hit gold given the clause. Correct fingers have to be pointed at the agent or player for the clause being there in the first place but it is conceivable that Newcastle were never aware of the clause. Now these are two possible scenarios albeit unlikely but it goes to show that we can't point the finger of blame until the facts come out, which they never will!! So debating whether the board should report the agent appears to be slighty futile as he may not have done anything wrong, does anyone even know who his agent is??
The key word is potential. Right now he may just be Championship standard (proved last year imo) with a few areas he needs to work on, but in the future I can easily see him starting every game in the Premier League and internationally for Wales. To let a player like that go for just £1m is bad business. I feel £3m is a fee that represents both that potential and the amount of work he'll need to get there. Just because we've bought players way below their actual value imo, we shouldn't try for anything but the top prices when letting people go.
t seems the majoritory of us were calling it right all along.....Jamie Un-Morrallee was up to his tricks engineering abetter deal all along. Taylor can play the innocent but he employs the man. Time to move on
To be fair to Taylor he's been attributed quotes that he never gave and he's been honest with Buck all along. I'm happy to have him back at the club, but that agent needs a slap.
I agree, we move on. But there's no way someone who pays an agents wages has no say in what went on. Both he and Un-Morallee got exactly what they planned and set out for - a pay day.
