Yeah, that's why we could offer him a contract. The question is, to use a player as an example: Aluko is out of contract in the summer. We know Newcastle can't offer him a contract in January as they're based in England and our rules prevent us from doing that to our own clubs. Could Marseille offer him one in January though?
I'll refer you to posts #21 and #30; where it states a player under the football association (who's rule are applicable to any player moving outside the premier league or football league) cannot be approached by any club or enter an agreement with any club unless he's been offered and rejected a new contract, been told in writing that he will not be offered a new contract or given permission to speak to another club. So in short, if nothing happens, a player in the FL or PL can't be approached by any other club until the relevant forms have been submitted to the FA by June 1st.
I wonder how many players that would be poached haven't been offered another contract before January.
There's not a lot about it on the Internet, and the rules are vague so it's hard to be sure. The requirements and deadline for them to be met by are clear, but there's no mention of hn the process can begin. So with Aluko rejecting that contract offer the other week does that make him available to approach by foreign clubs in January or would the offer have had to be made in January for it to apply?
If a player has any transfer value, then it's a given that he's been offered a new contract by the point he's got 6 months left i.e. January or if he hasn't then you can bet his agent's asked the question & been told he aint getting one. So you point is merely semantics. There's been numerous examples of players who've signed pre-contract agreements with clubs, either to come to these shores or play outside of the UK, since the inception of the Bosman ruling. It's only within UK that it's not possible to sign a pre-contract agreement from Jan onwards.
The rules are the same for a player moving between 2 English league clubs or an English league club and any other club (non league, overseas) just governed by different bodies. So if you're right English clubs can also enter pre contract agreements with English based players from January onwards. An agent can ask and recieve whatever questions and answers he likes, if you read my post or the rules properly you will see the player has to recieve notification himself in writing. The only question mark hanging over it all is when the process can begin, as the rule book doesn't mention that, only that the deadline for it to happen is within 7 days of the second Saturday in may or the last competitive game of the season, whichever comes later. Then that information has to be submitted to the FA by June 1st. Only once the FA has received the relevant paperwork, or by June 1st whichever is earlier, is a player free to be approached or enter into an agreement with another club. A pre contract is also considered to be a binding contract agreement.
Ameobi would want a hefty final pay packet, but would there be any fee involved? I doubt it would be much if anything.
I don't know about Aluko. Like I said the rules make clear what requirements must be met before a player can speak to any club anywhere, they make clear the deadline for these requirements to be met by, what they don't say is how early, or within what time frame the requirements can be met. I don't know if Aluko rejecting his contract offer the other week qualifies, or if an offer would have to be made and rejected on or after January 1st.
In English law pre-contract agreements are generally not binding. So this might account for the difference where the 2 parties are both UK based. But as for the rest of it, put your FA rule book down, the rules are simple & have been for years. A player who's out of contract next summer can speak to foreign clubs from Jan 1 - the end mate.
Yes, but an English based club signing a foreign based player is different to the opposite. It was always a bizarre situation where we could sign from foreign clubs but not from each other, but foreign clubs could sign from anybody. Us signing McPhee fits in with both sides of the discussion.
It depends on the nature of the precontract. If it specifies the exact terms of employment the player will be on then it is more likely to be binding than a more vague precontract would be.
In football a pre contract is binding so long as it contains the length and terms of the contract to be entered into. If it doesn't contain them it's just considered as an 'agreement to agree' and club and player are still free to do as they like. It's a FIFA regulation which concerns every football association, which they made to clear up after lots of cases of breaching pre contract agreements. The rules are simple, I've copied & payed them direct from the horses mouth. You choose to ignore them in favour of a claim you can't back up. If the FA, Premier League and Football League have written their rules wrongly, let them know so they can correct it
What you've forgotten to think about is that they're the English rules therefore affecting only English clubs..... European clubs don't need to adhere to PL rules, so therefore they can agree pre-contract agreements with players who are out of contract in the summer - 6 months before their contract expires - as per the Bosman ruling.
"(A) a Player may not enter into any agreement with any other Club in membership with The Association, or an Affiliated Association, or of any other national football association; and (B) the Player may not be approached by any other Club, or Club Official of any other Club, or any person with a view to inducing the Player to leave the Club for which the Player is registered, except with the written permission of that Club." If what you say is true, that means English clubs can't approach anyone on a pre-contract until the final month. Any player transfers must adhere to the rules of the football association they're currently playing under, so club in the world wishing to sign a current PL or FL players must do it according to our rules. I haven't forgotten to think about anything, you're not reading things properly or at all, and you're just making things up as you go along.
