why would you employ one white person when you could have six black people some of these employees have money to burn
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, and as this thread goes to show, it highlights the idiots of this world. If someone wants to stand on his soap box, let them go for it, but for gods sake do your homework on a subject before making yourself look a prize idiot, then maybe you'll understand why the vast majority disagree with you. Nelson Mandela may not have renounced violence, just like the world (apart from Russia) will not renounce the rebels violence against the Assad regime in Syria. Because the whole world sees the Assad regime as corrupt and goes against the good of it's own people, just as the world saw the actions of the ANC to be just under the circumstances. But to mention Mandela in the same sentence as Bin Laden just shows some peoples lack of knowledge on this subject. If you consider acts of sabotage on military targets, the same as organizing the kidnap and beheading of civilians then that is very worrying, or maybe just shows ignorance. Nelson Mandela won the Nobel peace prize in 1993, along with F. W. De Klerk for defusing a South African civil war, does someone who has won that prize really need to denounce violence? He also left the love of his life after being released from prison when he found out about the atrocities she was responsible for organizing. As I said, freedom of speech is great, but I think as we keep seeing, politics and the alike really has no place on a football forum. I find myself coming on here less and less cause of this sort of post, it's such a shame. Twitter is the perfect forum for people who want to spurt bollocks, then we could just talk about football, the thing I thought this site was for.
I agree with you 100% TLR. There's only one way to deal with people who come on here to stir things up. In fact, this whole thread is a stirring up exercise. I have confidence justice will be served soon.
And for the record my comment has nothing to do with race or prejudice. My opinion is what it is. Just an opinion. Because i do no agree with yours does not make me racist. Yes i have been to a township. Have you? Have you seen how during the last 20 years that townships are now on the increase more than ever. I agree, Africa has its problems, but in this case, South Africa's problems are slightly different. Comparatively to the rest of Africa South Africa has a well developed infrastructure in place. Which is now being wasted by corruption and greed from a few at the top. South Africa has got such huge potential to rise above all in Africa if there was good and accountable governance.Sadly I just don't see this happening in my lifetime.
Afraid I disagree Fingi & TLR, though I understand where you are coming from. The only thing wrong with this thread is that it should have OT in the title. For the most part it has been conducted fairly respectfully, with those us us able to marshall facts/ do basic 60 second web research/ having genuine experience using these to expand on comments or debate with others. I find it very useful to find out a bit more about the beliefs and opinions of my fellow posters, so I can then make ill informed judgements on their characters and merits as human beings. Plus I'm bored ****less with the football at the moment.
OK, but thats a different point to that raised in your original post, ''I do not believe any African government has or ever will have the ability to run anything, let alone a country". Whatever your intention, I'm sure you can see that this can easily be read as prejudice, the message is 'African countries will fail because they are run by Africans, who are not up to running a country'. Of course I have been to a township, it would be pretty daft to ask the question otherwise, but to be fair not for 10 years. Not the most comfortable places to visit (let alone live in), but just like the slums of Mumbai, full of life and people trying to better themselves. Wish I could say the same of Coventry.
You need to get a pair of my rose tinted spectacles SB they are great. I have a spare actual reality helmet which i can borrow you ... It's really a bucket with a hole in it As for Pathetic attempts to erase history I know no such rubber
I need to see more live football Dave, but all are clashing with my lads rugby at the moment and I feel obliged to be there for his games, in case I need to take him to hospital. Football will always be my game, but its very refreshing to see a mob of 16-18 years olds thundering around for no reward other than a beer. I will be one of the hardy few (I'm guessing) at the Forest game on Boxing Day. Its an hours drive for me, but I can't see many dragging themselves up from town when its on the telly and the pubs are open as women shop. I want to see some of the legendary Mackie ball control skills again.
They arent rebels, they are terrorists supported and armed by the yanks. Just like they created, supported and armed al qaeda many years ago classic case of double standards.
I normally skip the non-football threads as its not what I come on here for but having browsed through all the comments I did want to give our little Not606 family a pat on the back for having a controversial but intelligent debate without resorting to the usual insults and inanities (for the most part anyway). BTW I'm pretty sure that it was was my personal boycott of Cape fruit that caused the downfall of apartheid but equally sure that SA would have gone the same way as Rhodesia were it not for the great man. For that reason alone he can be forgiven any amount of more controversial ideology from his earlier life.
By posting on this garbage you've just guaranteed that it will stay at the top, nice one. The Benayoun signing has been dragging on for months, its hardly exciting news. It will be exciting if he helps us play some attacking football and score some goals though.
I posted something in the Yossi thread immediately to bump it back up to the top, and will do so again after this response!
i would love to join you but it's number one sons birthday and Mrs DT's Step Father's birthday combined. I may do Leicester if i can steal away could be the match to catch ... anyone else making the Foxes match?
i put myself in the shoes of a young black African in the days of white rule and i think what do i do to change this, I would write a letter but i have not the education to do so,I will use my vote to change this unfair system,but i don't have one I will protest that is what i will do in the hope i do not get killed. I will get my elders my political party to express my views. oh but they are in jail So what do i do? If Mandela was this mad terrorist so many want to try and say he is then after all them years did he not come out and raise his fist and start the nation on the road to civil war which would have been so easy for him,why did he then do what many forget on that walk from the gates to the world press and say education go to school ? Those who will call Mandela a terrorist should at least give the man credit for stopping a war that would have seen many people wiped out. Yes i was anti apartheid and went down to protest at South Africa house as it was unfair, and deeply unjust it was not a right or left wing issue it is and was wrong simple as that. And trust me i know what terror a bomb or killing can do i also know that the rules of engagement is never as simple x on a box of are you a terrorist or are you a freedom fighter Government as well can rule by terrorist means and there lays the bone of the question.
