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The latest off throttle blown diffuser ban

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by JWP is the goal king, Jun 11, 2011.

  1. JWP is the goal king

    JWP is the goal king Active Member

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    So, from the British GP, there is going to be no more off throttle blown diffusers.

    Who do you think it will effect the most ?

    And do you think any of the mid field teams would benefit as they might not have had it working as efficiently as the front runners ?

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92236

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  2. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Banned outright for 2012 which is disappointing. And the way they're done it means they can't even blow the gases onto the beam wing. I liked the idea of using the exhaust gases for aero advantage because it allows the teams to increase downforce with no real increase in turbulence, which is the direction the sport should be aiming to go in my opinion.

    As for this season, I think this will really favour Ferrari. Red Bull and McLaren have pretty sophisticated systems, and it was probably a prior knowledge of this ban that led Alonso to say wait until Silverstone to see where we are. By that time I think Vettel will probably have the title sewn up, but it could ensure a competitive end to the season on a race by race basis.
     
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  3. Delete Me

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    This will only effect the qualifying pace, not the race pace.

    Also Newey would of had 2-3 months to think up a replacement option so....you would be silly to think he hasn't already got something to keep that gap.
     
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  4. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Yeah true, Newey always finds a way. His latest innovation are these ducts that go to the starter hole - so he get's the benefit of air going to the starter hole AND to the outer 5cm of the diffuser. That's almost like 3 exhaust exits!

    Genius!
     
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  5. TheModestMatt

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    It will effect Red Bull the most because they were the first to come up with the idea and have perfected it over a longer period.
     
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  6. Delete Me

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    And Mclaren copied it, we all know how bad the car was before they did.....****e!
     
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  7. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Tim Goss said it would be detrimental to McLaren if it was banned. It will move them closer to Red Bull but the chasing pack will catch.
     
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    Red Bull will be overtaken in Qualy with this. Dont be surprised if Lewis gets the pole and Win in Silverstone.
     
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  9. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Don't be surprised if Ferrari and Mercedes both start beating them.

    Face the facts, whatever happens to red bull is going to happen to your boy as well.
     
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  10. TheModestMatt

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    Thats actually a good point, though McLaren seem to be looking forward to the blown diffuser ban, even im confused now :s
     
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  11. genjigonzales

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    Bugger. I agree with Slimy Toadt's opinion that this is a needless waste of fuel and should be stopped. I disagree with Adrian Newey's opinion that this is a rule change - it's merely a clarification of the definition of an existing rule. I hate being on the wrong side, even if I think it's right.
     
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  12. Delete Me

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    Newey better crack on then...

    I wonder if Red Bull and Renault will protest this, regarding the DDD in 2009 and F-Duct last year, that never got banned until later.
     
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  13. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. The teams were doing this last season, so the FIA should've banned it for this season, not halfway through.
     
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  14. Masanari

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    I think they are banning it now and not either at the start or the end of the season because of the crossover from cold to hot blow diffusers and the escalation in cost and fuel.
     
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  15. genjigonzales

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    I don't think the teams were using the engine mappings (which is what the FIA object to) as aggressively last season. Blowing the diffuser up to 100% off-throttle is new this year, isn't it?

    EBDs are being banned for 2012, not now, mid-season. The change now is just a restriction on the amount of blowing.
     
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  16. Delete Me

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    Tbh I don't see this happening, fuel is peanuts to engine failures.
     
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  17. genjigonzales

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    I believe the spectre of engine failure is a fallacy devised in order to extend the use of this system. How many years into engine homologation are we now?
     
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  18. Delete Me

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    Meh true genji.
     
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  19. random92

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    If the FIA want to ban it, they'll just ban it. Not difficult for them to DSQ people if they break the rules that have been set in stone. Ferrari might get away with it though :p
     
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  20. genjigonzales

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    If they can police it - that's always the FIA's problem.
     
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