Mandela - general discussion thread.

I'd just like to add to that, that he was an inspirational leader and balanced the evil with a great deal of good for the world. Re reading that last sentence in my previous post, it doesn't read like I meant it to. I feel indifference to a man who was saint and sinner. Hope that clears it up.

 

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter - Please select the option that best serves your agenda.

The truth is many leaders have had blood on their hands. Mandela had his fair share, but in a country where the ruling power was a tiny undemocratic minority that subjugated the vast majority I would go for the latter.

 

Both. Like I said fighting for all the right reasons, but when you start blowing up women and children just to prove a point it becomes terrorism. No need for some of the attacks he had his organistaion carry out.

And I have no agenda.

 

I think blowing up innocent women and children would probably have categorised quite a few of history's leaders as terrorists. The clever way is to support murderous regimes so you don't get your hands dirty, and if you include that there probably haven't been many who weren't terrorists.

 

You're right but the manner of some of their attacks couldn't be classed as anything other than terrorism. Shopping centres, fast food restaurants, car bombs etc just targeting civilians, rather than civilians being accidental deaths.

Ironically more than half the innocent civilians who lost their lives from their attacks were actually black.

In any case I've just read a little more deeply in to it all and I'm not sure Mandela could actually be labelled a terrorist. He was inside when the attacks on civilians took place so I can't see how he'd be behind any of them.

 

The IRA only does what it does because of the UK government stance.
The IRA arent really carrying out home land terrorist attacks much these days.
So you could say theyre exactly the same.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...C-focusing-death-Mandela-instead-weather.html

Looks like I was right as usual!

 

Can I be the next to say I couldn't care less that the black Gerry Adams has died.

Thousands of my fellow Britons are without homes for Christmas because of flooding, including in East Yorkshire and the general Humber region. I think that's a tad more important than some old African terrorist popping his clogs.

 

Show some respect.

At least 'Madiba's' brother didn't rape his own daughter.

 

Only because she's a pig

 

Mandela may have been a terrorist early on but maybe with good cause. He turned his life around and showed people how not to be bitter after what he'd been through. He had a good innings but maybe he needed it after wasting so much time in jail. Sad to see him go but I would move on to other things and not act like some people - I mean the BBC and not the people who's response has been measured - who try to show how compassionate they are.

 

i don't care, he was 95

i shall be lucky if i reach half that age

it's the life cycle

we all die eventually

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25160458

Celtic's scum fans wallowing in their own (or Bobby Sands'?) excrement.

 

Cant let the daft sad racists have the last word on this thread.
Rewind thirty years and Hull City are offered ten million pounds to tour South Africa. We'd snap their hands off. Only problem is Rosenior, Davies, Figueroa, Faye, Chester, Huddlestone, Sagbo, Elmo wouldnt be able to go.

Take the money or tell em to **** off? I know which i would choose.

 

I'm amazed, even on here, that people can try and compare the terrorism and situation in NI to what was one of the worst, most brutal and evil governments in modern history. The fact that some western prime ministers and future prime ministers actually supported it should make some people ashamed. Comparing the 2 is ****ing absurd.

Nelson Mandela had a huge impact on a lot of lives, a positive impact, and I for one will remember him with gratitude.

 

Don't know what you're on about there? No ones comparing the IRA to the apartheid government... Also, I think you underestimate just how brutal we've been in Ireland. Ever heard of the tans?

 

The Three Tans?

 

You mean the Black & Tans?

 

Is it me or is he completely right? As I said earlier, and as he says here, I'm sure the outpouring of mock grief is guilt about our own colonial past.