Have to say the away crowds for the big clubs seem to have changed massively.In 48 years I have never seen so many fans leave early when support was needed. Our home support is usually poor but good away. This is not meant as a wind up -just as a realistic observation
Quality of the fans has really deteriorated; especially in the bigger teams (Premier League, mostly). Too demanding or expectant of instant success, cry when they loose and want heads to roll, don't give players or managers time, don't support the team properly and can't have good natured banter without resorting to insults or fighting. There's still lots of great supporters, but alot of the younger ones are just idiots.
Upon taking the brother in law (German) to watch a game a few weeks back. He asked, "why are all the fans leaving 10 minutes before the end?" Good result and plenty to be cheering about, but no, dead silent and the stadium quickly emptying. He couldn't understand it.
For entrainment events, like football, cinema, gigs, concerts etc I'm a firm believer in getting what I paid for. If I've paid for 90 minutes of football (plus extra time) I want to see all of those minutes.
Harsh to blame younger fans. The older fans are responsible for the drop in atmosphere IMO. Whenever I've gone to Anfield they just sit all game and moan, never joining in with the chants and leaving about 20 mins before the end because they are cold.
Oh, it's not all the younger fans, but a fair few younger ones coming through (from what I've seen) seem to be the more aggressive, more demanding and with less patience. The ones you see on the replays swearing blindly at the players, making obscene gestures and starting trouble tend to be younger (below 25) in age. The atmosphere is everyone's problem.
Never leave early. I never have done, but a couple of years ago with the game dead @ 1-3 at home to United I left with a minute plus stoppage time remaining.........
As a kid I used to watch Liverpool on the telly. The Kop was something else, an awesome, inspiring group fans who made enough noise to bring a building down. Today.....where were you?
honestly i don't see the point really as if it REALLY makes a difference getting home. I do think if you want to talk athmosphere you need to ask why so many season tickets are in the hands of travel agents and sold to god knows who each week at inflated prices. I do have to ask how a season ticket card can be presented at a turnsile when the name is local and the face is... well gok whan or who ever... sorry not racist as i think its great these guys spent their cash coming over and supporting the citys businesses and so forth but WHY is the club not going and doing it officially and not allowing profiteering. Happens all ends of the ground too.. however my days going are probably over so its up to those to can to go and try to actually sing.
If they're the same as ours they're just a credit card that you waft at a card reader , no-one looks at them
When I went to games with my dad as a lad we'd often leave on 89 mins to avoid the crush at OT and would be in the car before the final whistle. Then when I was older I'd stay till the end and it often took half an hour or so to get out, queue for the Met and get home. Tho' that was three or four 15 year old kids getting shoved around by forty thousand fans - we usually just waited till the crowds dissipated first. It could also make a difference for away games - don't fans often get held back in the ground for half an hour or so? Tho' that's usually only when they expect trouble, so probably wouldn't have applied in this case. I think the leaving early thing is partly down to a general change in society. It used to be that fans saw themselves as driving the team forwards and having to put in support and effort in order to get anything out. Nowadays everyone's a 'consumer', young and old, and they expect the team to entertain them first before they 'reward' them with some support.
they are and nobody does... oh here comes pete... she might be black haired, 5' 2" and led along by her husband, he's got a massive camera round his neck but her name is peter.. says so on her season ticket. swarbs you might be right, though then again the toilet is so big and smelly... poor little anfield is easy enough to get out of these days without running out before the end. you are right though its onlookers rather than support and singing and all that. consumer is a good word for it.
I thought you guys were relatively quiet by away fans standards today. Not having a go or trying to start an argument but I only heard 2 or 3 basic chants whereas normally we get vociferously loud and often quite imaginative and funny songs from the away end. As LNB says our fans are normally very very loud at away matches but the KC can be very quiet, (today was well above average in noise levels from the home support). Now you'll really really hate me for this but over the years I have actually found Everton fans to be amongst the loudest away support. But we did try to silence them by going 3-0 up within half an hour last time they visited.
Alright lads n lasses. Appreciated your applause/acknowledgement of our "City Till We Die" chants yesterday; good to see solidarity among football fans in the face of increasingly hair-brained club ownership. I haven't come on here to have a pop, but - aside from a few minutes after your goal - your travelling support was really quiet yesterday. Dunno if it's the same on here, but the Hull City forums have regular discussions about how the nature of modern football, with all-seater stadia and a different fan demographic, has resulted in a decrease in the atmosphere at matches. A general theme seems to be that the only real noise these days is more likely to come from the away section, but that's not always the case, as was demonstrated yesterday. Just wondered if you agreed with me and if you had any thoughts on the matter.
Alright lads n lasses. Appreciated your applause/acknowledgement of our "City Till We Die" moment at 19.04 yesterday; good to see solidarity among football fans in the face of increasingly hair-brained club ownership. I haven't come on here to have a pop, but - aside from a few minutes after your goal - your travelling support was really quiet yesterday. Dunno if it's the same on here, but the Hull City forums have regular discussions about how the nature of modern football, with all-seater stadia and a different fan demographic, has resulted in a decrease in the atmosphere at matches. A general theme seems to be that the only real noise these days is more likely to come from the away section, but that's not always the case, as was demonstrated yesterday. Just wondered if you agreed with me and if you had any thoughts on the matter.
