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Was KEANE RIGHT Afterall...?

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by johnnywarksmoustache, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    A very interesting piece shamelessly taken from TWTD on what Blackburn fans think of Jordan Rhodes! You may be quite surprised and it begs the question was Keane right to sell him afterall? IMO I would say that if he was to be set for super stardom then why hasn't a Premier League club or clubs been in for him so far!



    Blackburn Supporters Views On Rhodes

    "Our biggest problem is Rhodes. We need to find a method of playing that suits his lack of pace and lack of ability to hold the ball up. This is a constant problem for how we play. Other than the odd lay-off, he does nothing."

    "Playing one man up front who cannot play as a lone striker is asking for trouble, and we have seen this in countless games. Rhodes may as well be sat next to me in Block One when he's not scoring and the whole team suffers for it. Talk of building the team around him is ludicrous and foolhardy."

    The Scotland international and former ITFC player has baffled many fans. "How someone so adept at taking chances first time in such a calm, sure and accomplished manner can be so cumbersome and clueless elsewhere on the park is a major confusion indeed."

    "Rhodes is an exceptionally limited player", "Against Leeds, he couldn't win the ball in the air and his first touch was awful. He made some token gestures at closing defenders down, but Dunn did more chasing and he is 10 years older. Teams are handling Rhodes with ease at the moment."

    "Match Rhodes for pace, stay right behind him, cut out the supply and your job is done if you don't get sloppy and lose concentration in the box", "Some centre-halves have had their easiest day of the season marking Rhodes. I bet they hardly break sweat."

    "Don't get me started on the £8 million wasted", "Maybe the division has sussed him out, but for most of the Leeds game he found no space and he certainly didn't create any", "When he doesn't score, he doesn't offer anything else."

    I risk having a big bucket of 5hite poured all over me but what do you reckon?
     
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  2. Mike_Holmes1990

    Mike_Holmes1990 Well-Known Member

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    That is the key quote, like with any player a certain style of play suits some better than others and by the sounds of it Blackburn are using him in the wrong way. As others on this forum have suggested in the past, a Wickham Rhodes partnership could have been lethal. Wickham to bully and harass the defenders, Rhodes to provide the finish.

    There may also be an issue of "i've made it now" an £8m transfer suggests a big salary and he's playing internationally. That goes for both our former future stars.
     
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  3. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    There is no doubting his incredible goals output and it is a record that we can only dream about! He never struck me as a traditional "Hold up" player but more of a Goal Poacher in the penalty area. This is where he comes alive but I dont think that he creates too much on his own but has this knack of punishing mistakes made by defenders. Luckily we seem to be producing a young lad who may well fullfill his excellent potential in the form of Jack Marriott. Again he strikes me as being very much a "Jordan Rhodes" style of player! If Mick rates him then there is no way that he will be sold and Ive heard that we have offered Jack an extended deal.

    I agree that the Wickham/Rhodes partnership would have been awesome for us but you also have to question Wickham's potential and ability as he just hasn't hit the heights!
     
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  4. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    I think that once a player has left all alot of fans see is His or her name on the vidiprinter and think 'that goal should have been for us' while not seeing any other aspect of their game(Jay E Thomas) so just judging them on their goal tally, and before anyone says it all about goals so thats all that matters its not its all about scoring more goals than the other team, so you can have a player that pops up with a goal every other game but if thats all he does then your really playing with ten men for most of the game.

    That said........... NO Keane was not right JwM he should have sent him to UddersFeeled on loan for the season......IN MY HUMBLE OPINION...
     
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  5. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    It's about context and the context is that he went for less than a million (I think?). These Blackburn fans are talking in the context of an £8m transfer. If we'd kept David Wright, McAuley, Garvan, Walters and Rhodes I'm sure this season we would be bothering the automatic places so the combined £5m or so they've raised has not paid off.

    Another factor is reading today about Rhodes not being allowed onto the training ground. That is shocking behaviour by Keane.
     
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  6. tractor bhoy

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    .To be fair I wouldn't say it was a Rhodes problem. It sounds more like a Blackburn problem. You buy players that fit into your system. Any old twat can buy 11 brilliant players but if they cant play together then it doesn't matter. I also agree with Hamps. There is a difference between what you expect from a £500k signings (ala Rhodes at Huddersfield) and the expectation of an £8m player at Blackburn.
    In all honesty I always thought the move had the potential to be a disaster. A high price tag and a club in turmoil was a risky situation.

    There are also some stooopid comments that JWM have posted. 'Cut out the supply etc' are relevant at any level of football. RVP couldn't score if the ball didn't get to him. 'He doesn't suit our style of play' so why sign him.

    Stupid club run by idiots by the looks of things IMHO.
     
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  7. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Just so we are clear TB these are not my own personal comments! <ok>
     
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  8. itfcptc

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    No Keane was not correct. I bet there'd be uproar if they sold him for £4 million to another club. But I do see their points, although it pales into comparison we similarly tried to play Chopra upfront on his own when he just didn't suit that position.

    It appears Rhodes has a pretty poor all around game but he has to be one of the best natural goalscorers I've ever seen, he not only has that knack of being in the right place at the right time but he is also a superb finisher left foot, right foot or with his head, I can't think of many other strikers in any division like that. Lets remember Darren Bents all round game can be awful and for us he could not do anything all game but he could grab the winner in the 90th minute. At the end of the day this game is about scoring goals and Rhodes is a master at this, he has to be the most consistant goalscorer in the league over the past 4 years and he's only 23!!! The frightening thing is the Blackburn fans seem to say if he was in a better more creative team he'd score more!!!
     
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  9. Westlake33

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    Blackburn fans are amongst the most clueless in the country.

    I couldn't give a flying toss what a striker does, IF he is scoring the amount of goals Jordan Rhodes is.

    A player that is quite simply worth as things stand 2 goals in 3 games at Blackburn can in my eyes do SOD ALL for 89 minutes, as you simply KNOW he will score.

    In an ideal world, sure, we want the complete package. However, the issues he's having is down to the Blackburn manager to solve by sorting out the other 10 players. End of!

    ' Lets remember Darren Bents all round game can be awful and for us he could not do anything all game but he could grab the winner in the 90th minute. '

    Completely disagree with this. Bent ( for us and Charlton ) had a SUPERB all around game, especially at Charlton where he ran all day long, completely linked the play up for midfield too.
     
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  10. stretchyboy

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    Disagree with you wholeheartedly there Weighty - His job is exactly that - to score goals.
    Its the defences (and partly midfield) to stop the other team from scoring. he gets paid to score goals, and he's done exactly that. You can't partly blame him if his team let in four goals if he's scored a hat trick.
    He's a natural goalscorer, and we was extremely hasty in selling him so quickly.
    As someone pointed out above, if there was a problem with him/his dad..then loan him out for the season and then evaluate what to do with him. I don't think we'll ever know the true extent of why he left so quickly..unless he actually comes out with the reason.
     
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  11. Guru of Ipswich

    Guru of Ipswich Well-Known Member

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    I look at it this way, would you rather have in than face him? My mind is that i would have him all day long!

    As have been said, He isn't a lone striker, you don't want him going out wide or dropping back to receive the ball, you want him in the area to finish it off. Just imagine if we had Rhodes and Didsy upfront for us! GOALS,GOALS, GOALS!
     
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  13. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

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    Was not talking specifically about Rhodes i'd have him back in a heart beat, i was just trying to say that a goal tally does not always give a clear picture of a players contribution i agree if a striker has scored a hattrick then they in my opinion have contributed enough, but i think that a top class striker can hold the ball up to relieve pressure on the defence as well as hit the back of the net.


    To be honest even if Keane had not of sold Rhodes i doubt we would still have him here anyway although we would have got a much better deal.
     
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  14. itfcptc

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    Really? I rate Bent alot but I thought the reason perhaps why he's never played for a top top club or as many times for England was because he had a pretty poor all round game. Just thought sometimes his touch was poor and wasn't that great on the ball, he could often go missing aswell but his strengths far ourweight his weaknesses!!
     
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  15. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Goals change games. Weighty is sort of right about the vidiprinter, as if to illustrate the point, Town would be 4-0 up if we had Rhodes' and Wickham's goals tonight.
     
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  16. stephenhawkingsfootballboots

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    This comment looks better after the final whistle has blown!
     
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