This is the view I've spouted a few times, he checks his shoulders and re-positions looking to once again start playing. Gerrez and I have argued back and fore on this for ages.
I would prefer to see Lucas and hendo/Allen holding with Gerrard slightly in front and then coutinho as 10 - BR seems to want hendo to be playing further forward though
And I still don't think I've got my point across properly I agree with what both of you are saying but nor is that against what I'm saying either
So is it Hendersons fault then?(Mighty alludes to it there as well) because Henderson appears to set up ahead of Gerrard. It's not Lucas as he's back there on his own facing the counter, you say it's not Gerrards job to, if not chase the counter , attempt to get in a position to help Lucas: He's simply to take his position again and hope the counter doesn't result in an opposition goal and he'll be ready to receive the ball again? So are we really thinking that BR believes that Lucas & the two CB's will break up a 4 or 5 man counter on their own? Or is it the non active(I.e. not overlapping on the side the balls on) FB's fault for going up his wing rather than stepping in field in front of Lucas? Because the big empty space is there every time we lose the ball. Every single time.
i agree but knowing it and accepting it as a top player is i guess hard. its ego and confidence and all those things that makes it rodgers job to drop it on him.
This is a very different point to what I was making but I fully understand what you're saying. I'll add one other question too, are we expecting Lucas to be as good as Mascherano at the DM role?
I guess to some extent, sub consciously or not, Gerrard may still see himself as the man to pull us through when we're struggling, however we're not that 1 man team that we were back in those finals of 05 and 06. At the moment, he is still one of the best midfielders at the club which is why he's playing 90 minutes most games, however when we strengthen the midfield I feel we'll see him come off or come on a lot more. Rodgers strengthened the attack in window 1, defence in window 2 so is obviously now going for the midfield. Also feel that with Carragher missing this year, if we were to drop Gerrard too much as well we may well lose that spine that's been in the team for the last 10 years.
the space is there not because IMO we position players one way or another. it is players tactically being inept at times. Sorry but when we put henderson in for lucas a few games back he played the role PERFECTLY. He didn't get in front of the ball but was with play and well able to support attacks. In short i still say midfielders should join late NOt make runs forwards ought to be making and therefore should always be able to chase back as they start at worst level with the ball. simply put in 2009 gerrard played no 10 in a 4-2-3-1 and didn't need to chase back therefore like ROONEY who plays it now for utd could make runs into the box. It really is that simple if you are ahead of the ball you are out of the game and thats where the space opponents exploit comes from. Our issue v everton was both full backs over committing when we had 4 attackers on the pitch too. we failed to pull the full backs back in a bit and let the wingers do the attacking.
OT but by god that Dallas Coyboys stadium is something to behold. Just need a spare billion dollars lol.
From what I hear though (pundits, talksport and opposition fans) it's only really some of our own fans that think he letting us down and 'hasn't got the legs' to cope anymore. I think the majority would agree that we would rather him pushed forward so let's hope BR tries this out . He may be looking for a better more experienced holding midfielder/play maker in Jan and then Gerrard will take hendos position? Who knows.
After that comment I think you should lay down in a darkened room and listen to some of the psychedelic tracks I've been playing on the Music Thread
I agree with most that the formation is part of the problem We tend to play.... ---Lucas--Gerrard--- ------Hendo-------- As we all agree Gerrard is not doing the DM role very well, some say he should be tracking back and chasing attackers some say he is just playing the game differently and looking to start attacks again by re-positioning and leaving the defending to defenders. Anyway something I noticed is because of the way we set up Lucas is getting pulled more to the right and I've seen him many times this season struggling to get back into the center to pick up an attack. If we adjusted so that Lucas is told to hold that central position again and protect the center back them problem solved. -----Lucas----- Hendo--Gerrard
this is fine but then the issue is on the left. rodgers real intent with a triangle with one holding player is boht forward emn are box to box. simply put whether its lucs going left or right theres a huge gap cos gerrard doesn't get back and further again i point out he won't hold cos he gets bored or something and goes chasing the ball and then leaves a gap. Its a 4-2-3-1 for gerrard IMO. with current staff thats mingolet johnson toure shako enrique lucas henderson suarez gerrard coutinho sturridge IMO thats our best line up today if possible but we will not play it.
