I'm struggling to understand where you stand on this matter. You can't have much going for yourself if this is how you fill up your days. trolling my posts of 14 months ago to show that I have drastically changed my opinion on something. HAHAHAHAHA Sad little **** you are HOLD UP EVERYONE. According to Ben we cannot change our opinion ever during our lifespan. Let's all look back at everyone's posts back when the allams saved us. Let's see how opinions were different. Why aren't you picking up on old positive comments made by those who are now suggesting AA should **** off? Maybe because it suits your agenda? mmmmm
No not really, if you've seen any of my recent posts. But you're one of those old farts that live in the past. You sure you're not a Leeds fan? Quite ironic that you are bringing quote that are older than your presence on this forum.
He's had one success after a couple of failures. If he was so talented why didn't he get involved in lots of companies and make them successful. He was in the right place at the right time and most likely worked hard, too. The last set of accounts of Allam Marine show that the profits have been cut in half. He's not some super businessman. He doesn't come across very well in interviews.
Exactly. Ashley struck it lucky but he can't do it again. He thrashes around making a mess of it - Allam is similar.
He hasn't conned anybody. He came into the club saying he knew nothing about football. He doesn't care about our traditions or our name and has run out of money to give to the club. Its in every interview, almost since the Peter Levy one. He wants to make us self-sufficient and not reliant on his family. He wanted to do that by developing the KC. That ended in failure. What is worse both sides wanted a deal but couldn't manage it for whatever reason. He gambled on getting into the Premier League and achieved it. He then realised how much money in addition to the TV money it costs. We are spending £11 million more than our income know and we all know we need a striker. So he's gambling on a name change in the hope that it will increase our income in the far east because they like Tigers. We need around £20 million a year more than we're getting now to stand any chance of become an established Premier League club that can compete for a European place. Do you really think changing from Hull City to Hull Tigers is going to get us £20 million a year? I see a man that wants the same as what we all want a successful Premier League team that is running out of ready cash to achieve it. Rather than looking to us to help him bridge the gap he's hoping for a miracle by proposing a name change. He is likely to see all his hard work and cash go up in smoke because he's not prepared to admit he may have made a mistake. Hull City Council want to discuss the future of the KC why hasn't he accepted? Why aren't they discussing an hotel complex to bring in additional monies together with other facilities. Why aren't they discussing extending the stadium? The answer is because he doesn't want to. Where is all the additional sponsorship from local companies now we've got the new electronic advertising. Are we making the most of the executive boxes? Why are we selling tickets to kids for a quid? Why is our shop a shadow of Leicester City's? Its not black and white its bloody tragic. But that may not be the worst of it. Over the last few months the FA and the Premier League have been watching. Do you think they approve of stewards ripping down a "We are Hull City" banner? Does it promote their product across the world? How do you think they feel when he advertises us as Hull City Tigers without applying to change the playing name? Do you think they approve of him telling all and sundry that he's already changed it? Or that its got nothing to do with anybody else how he runs his business? To change the way English football has operated for 150 years you need allies. He has gone out of his way to make it very difficult for the football authorities to support him. You may like to have a think about what means for our future.
A billionaire can spend a few thousand pounds (or a few million pounds) on something that seems ridiculous because it's small change to them. Most rich people wont buy a football club because it's practically impossible to make money from and it takes up a lot of time. If I was a billionaire and I wanted to buy a football club I would buy one that had tradition and/or potential but certainly not one that had a tacky name.
Interesting read but to me it raises a more important issue. Why are you CTWD, pussying out of campaigning to remove him altogether? If everything you are saying is true then we are ****ed even if we keep our name. Right? You have just pointed out that AA is basically a poor club owner. Making poor decisions. Poor judgement. Why are you not campaigning to get rid of him? You cannot expect credibility and respect when you make such sweeping statements but don't back it up with the most obvious next step. This is why I keep referring to the cake and eat it. I'd have more respect for the campaign if it backed its own opinions. If you really believe what you're saying then it doesn't say much about you or CTWD for not going the full mile and standing by that opinion. That's why I haven't sided with CTWD because I felt their argument was as weak as AA's. The arguments you have just pointed out aren't weak at all, they're actually arguments I could get behind but then the campaign message has to change.
1. Future revenue will be better guaranteed by solid investment re development of KC surrounds & ties with local businesses and bringing new money and the related publicity will generate more income. It WILL NOT be created by flash in the pan name changes with no precedent of success either in history nor supported by any financial expert in the present. 2. Mr Allam's dictatorial approach is alienating fans, the league, the council and everyone else with an interest 3. Mr Allam needs an advisor/advisors who understand football.
My English is rubbish but I would have preferred: "The longer he is the owner of Hull City AFC the more his lack of knowledge of the game becomes apparent."
Never thought I'd be advising anyone to heed the bons mots of Billy Joel, but I reckon he gets it.... "Just The Way You Are" Don't go changing, to try and please me You never let me down before Don't imagine you're too familiar And I don't see you anymore I would not leave you in times of trouble We never could have come this far I took the good times, I'll take the bad times I'll take you just the way you are Don't go trying some new fashion Don't change the color of your hair You always have my unspoken passion Although I might not seem to care I don't want clever conversation I never want to work that hard I just want someone that I can talk to I want you just the way you are. I need to know that you will always be The same old someone that I knew What will it take 'till you believe in me The way that I believe in you. I said I love you and that's forever And this I promise from my heart I couldn't love you any better I love you just the way you are.
You seem to have completely missed my point. I'll rephrase it one more time.. I WAS NOT implying we give Mr Allam what he wants, far from it, I am suggesting that his pride and honour are at stake by backing down and it's not in the nature of Arab culture to risk this. We're talking behind the scenes advisory (which dosn't appear to exist) The people in power had just as many balls as I do thank you very much, I don't care for your tone.
Protesting during a televised match is the best thing to do. What's the point of protesting when most people can't see it?
Why? If he went to another club there could be worse but different distractions. Why should he want to be unemployed again?
I don't have an agenda. For you these are positive comments, to me they are ****ish double standard bullshit. Do me a favour, answer a couple of questions relating to your change of views, principles & values it may help people understand why you've changed your opinion so drastically. When you said "one day we'll see their true colours" do you now think that day has come? Do you still regard our owners a cancer who need to be gone ASAP? You believed they got rid of NB "on a whim". Do you not think this is what they are now doing with our name? Why do you think people should get used to the name change when last year you weren't prepared to"tolerate a dictator like relationship where we cannot say anything bad against them for as long as they are here."? Do you think it acceptable that our owners will not accept criticism or tolerate being questioned as you did last year? Do you think the Allams have betrayed your trust again this year as you thought they had last year? Is this another situation where you "fear for the future" as it's another "sign of things to come"? Where you the first to say "I told you so" now the owners have continued with the attitude you described last year? Do you think people who are happy with the owner's actions have no morals, as you did last year? Last year you weren't sure you wanted "such knee-jerk reacting, football noobies deciding our future" Are you happy with them now? Do you still think "the Allams could destroy our club or create some real problems off the field (that will surely reverberate on the field)"? Do you still think it a "fact" that they make crazy decisions & as a result the "you can't say anything bad against them because they saved us act is not going to last long" with you if they keep making these crazy decisions? Are you still sick of hearing "they saved us" & believe that they can "clearly just as well bury us at any given time for some silly reason"? Do you believe people who support the name change are supporting the Allams & not the club as you did when people agreed with the sacking of NB? Do you think if we accept the name change & forgive them for their actions "the Allams will keep on doing whatever they want without thinking of us or the club"? Do you think they've got their pride & egos involved as they did when they sacked NB & are again showing us what kind of people they are? Do you think our owner's lack of realisation as to what our name is & what it represents to the club means they don't care as you did regarding NB's dismissal? Do you think we should now trust them 100%? Last year you "never believed this statement of giving back to the city that made me rich" Do you now? Do you still believe they should go back to their other projects & leave the club alone to people who understand football? Do you still think it's dangerous having only one person in charge who clearly has so little knowledge of football? Do you think it's right that the club's 109 year old name is being changed & tarnished by "two newcomers" who "know nothing about football" iDo you consider this appalling as you did NB's dismissal last year? Also, if our fans let it happen do you think that will be even worse, as, again, you did when NB was dismissed? Do you think the Allams still only deal in negativity? Do you now trust the Allams? Obviously, don't answer these questions, I only typed them to highlight how much of a two faced prick you are. Maybe answer these few though. Why did you attack our owners for dismissing NB yet have changed your opinions of them now they are dismissing the name of the club NB represented. Do you value NB higher than the club's name? What's changed? (ClueL) Are you a two faced attention seeking PL whore who has no real affiliation to our club, it's history or it's traditions? Have your principles & values been sacrificed to the PL? That's all, consider yourself dismissed.
CTWD is not anti-Allam. We like lots of things he has done for the club. I don't think he is a poor owner. I think some of his actions are mis-guided, the name change for one. I think he should be talking to the council but I think after what he's done for us he deserves the time to think about what he's doing and where he wants to take Hull City. He should have the opportunity to change his mind. I think after saving our club that's the least we can give him. In the meantime I'll continue the campaign to save our name. As you said its not black and white, it has shades od amber as well.
For something so radical the onus is on the proposer, Allam, to demonstrate some point in doing it. You can't counter-argue andargument that hasn't even been made yet. It's like saying there's no proof that aliens don't walk among us - well of course there isn't but you'd want to see evidence for it. However the various marketing experts who all unanimously agree it is a pointless idea and the fact that literally only he in the world thinks it's a good idea give a bit of weight to the 'anti' argument. On top of that the fact that he promised research and then went back on his word suggests he wasn't able to offer much doesn't it? There are many people, probably on this board, who 'have a clue about that level of business'. Allam isn't the genius he likes us to think. He's had one successful company and several unsuccessful ones. He's nothing more than human in that respect. This isn't about business it's about him wanting it and that's that. If it was a genuine business case he would have presented that case by now. It's simply a one-man crusade based on nothing tangible.
