Points gained from a players goals? That's a very odd parameter of quality. There are loads of factors to consider in that. Sturridge has scored loads giving us ultimately more points than you, if he had given more to Suarez he would have more, and we'd of won more. It just doesn't really work mate.
Yes and no. Im just showing both players have helped their side earn plenty of points. Goals mean nothing if they dont lead to point after all. At the end of the day its clear both players are important to the club they play for. The vast majority of United fans would call RvP the better striker, Liverpool fans would say Suarez. Aguero has a big claim to this title as well although it will be interesting to see if he continues his for next season as he seems to be working on a good season, wheres aguero gone, good season basis.
points earned from goals scored This is the lamest argument I have read yet. "impact" and "points earned per goal" All to try claim a player scoring less goals is better than a player scoring more goals, in less games played too. The desperation knows no bounds. An attacker's job is to create\score as many goals as possible. The one who is best at this is the best player. It's that simple.
Question number one. Do goals mean anything if no points are earned? I suspect you will have difficulty answering due to you you being you.
That's all besides the point, a player's job is to score goals, the better he is at it the more he scores. All this "what they mean" is totally irrelevant. A defender will try defend, a keeper will try save a shot, what it all means is a philosophical point not considered during a game whatsoever. it plays no part. To try claim players care less when Suarez scores against them is the weakest argument thus far in this debate or they care less if already a goal down, totally weak argument in so many ways. In any given situation players will do what they can to prevent a goal being scored. Also you conveniently try to negate Suarez natural ability in going past players to create his own goals in your "points earned" or "meaningless goals" argument. It all amounts to backing a player with weaker stats as the best. in this case RvP
As I thought. Unable to answer so another wall of pointless text. You are also missing the point. Bow managed to get it. Its not even slagging suarez off. It is showing how both are scorers of important goals not just goals.
It's not a simple as UIR claims, but then would you rather have a player who scores five goals in a 5-0 win, and then none in the next three 0-0 draws, or a player who scores the winning goal in four 1-0 wins? Particularly in 1-0 wins where the team wasn't playing all that well, but the striker popped up with the winning goal regardless. That, imo, has always been Suarez' biggest drawback in his time at Liverpool. He very rarely scored the decisive goal in a tight game when you were backs to the wall, and winnable points were often dropped as a result. So despite his great play and goalscoring ability you never finished higher than 6th when you arguably had the overall quality to push for top four. Heck even this season it's not Suarez who's having the impact in the tight games, it's Sturridge who has won you the points against Stoke, Villa and Utd, and rescued points against Newcastle and Everton, and so it's arguably Sturridge who is the reason you are 2nd rather than 6th. Of course you can argue this doesn't have any bearing on the entirely subjective debate of who is 'better' (insert selective stats here). But when it's a question of whether you would rather have a player who is 'better', or one who wins you more games, I'll take the wins every day of the week.
I couldnt be bothered going in depth. Taking the timing and importance of the goal into account puts rvp ahead as well.
I'll break down this "impact" and value of goals to show it has nothing to do with who is better. RvP's goal v Arsenal was mentioned. RvP and his goal v Arsenal was important because United won 1 0. But part and lefts face it, the much bigger part of that result and 3 points was the work of defenders and midfielders to shut out Arsenal, De Gea kept a clean sheet. This adds nothing to what RvP did in scoring the goal or his ability to score goals. Does City's away form take away from Aguero's quality and ability which has taken him to the top of the scorers list. Of course not. The same can be said for Suarez scoring and Liverpool failing to defend the lead he gives Liverpool in a game. It does not detract from his performance at all just as United's good defending does not add to RvP's achievement in scoring when comparing them both, unless that is you need some other points when the pure records don't provide a strong enough argument. None of the above is a factor when comparing two attackers and who is better.
Suarez scores more because unlike RvP, if the service is not good which has been a problem for both teams this season, Suarez is better at creating his own goals.
Completely agree Suarez is better at creating his own goals, although he does waste a lot of the chances he creates. But the stats show RVP is much better at creating goals for others - he has double the number of assists Suarez has over the past few seasons and creates more chances for his teammates. Which only further adds to the argument that Suarez may be a better individual player, but RVP is a better team player. Or is this the point at which you suddenly claim the performance of the players around them now does matter, as Liverpool are unable to score all the chances Suarez allegedly creates for his teammates?
The goals may not "matter" in terms of the result but it still indicates a quality striker. A world class goal doesn't stop being so just because your goalkeeper then throws the ball into his own net at the other end. Counter question: Does any goal scored in a cup competition "matter" if you don't end up lifting the cup? More goals = better striker. End of. The only difficultly is penalties, which still requre skill and show seniority, but are maybe worth less than a full goal. That is a minor detail though since Suarez doesn't take penalties and still scores more than those who do.
@ deflection #worried Not what I said. Feel free to count all goals, but IMO a penalty is worth maybe something like 0.75 x a goal from open play. See also Soldado.
So what you're saying is RVP, with 63 goals in 86 PL appearances over the last three seasons (0.73 goals per game) is better than Suarez with 43 goals in 71 games (0.61 goals per game). End of. In that case I agree completely So how much of a goal is a tap in worth versus a 40 yard screamer? Do eight tap ins equal one overhead kick from the halfway line? Tell us more about how more goals = better striker. End of apart from more penalties not equalling more goals. #typicalLiverpoollogic
That's pretty much the point being danced around here. This thread says, RvP best striker in the world, he's not even the best in Manchester. Aguero > RvP
Except more goals didn't mean RVP and Rooney were better than Suarez last season and the season before respectively. Somehow I feel it didn't make Kevin Phillips the best striker in the world in 99/00 either. Those movable goalposts must really make it hard to play football in Liverpool. Or Finland
Nope. More goals = beter stiker. The relative worth of tap-ins/free kicks/penalties etc. might be worth considering if two players have equal goals scored. As I said, it it a minor detail and both Liverpool strikers are already ahead of any Man Utd striker. (And maybe 3 years ago the situation was reversed, but then that's just history.)
