Do the Wenger Out brigade still want him sacked ?

Quietly waiting for Kyle to admit he's a Wenger fan

 

Haha, I can tell you that on another forum I use I'd say 90-95% want him gone, even now. I'm pretty certain I drive them insane with my constant positivity (which is part of the appeal).

Wenger is tactically useless.
Wenger is a miser.
Wenger only plays French players.
Giroud is useless (this is a popular one).
We're still terrible every game (at best average) and lucky that others aren't winning more.

etc etc etc.

I deem it my public duty to remain upbeat for them. They actually have lots of good points, interesting threads and seem nice chaps when not discussing any of the above topics! I don't think their minds will change until we win something again and after so many years of nothing I don't judge them harshly, I just don't agree.

 

You forgot to mention that there are at least 5 RB's in the PL who are better than Sagna

 

Maybe they should stick to talking about anything except Arsenal.

 

And that Ramsey will never be good enough to play for us... Only a dimwit like Wenger would stick with him...

 

'Championship standard' I think was the label given to Ramsey. I've got nothing against players being criticised when they are playing ****e, but Ramsey had to claw his way back from the depths and even when he was on the way back up he was still getting stick - that's what I thought was unnecessary. But I suppose the best way to prove his detractors wrong was on the pitch.

 

You guys make it sound like those who grew tired of Wenger's inactivity in the transfer market or our lack of success over past few seasons was something to be proud about... We are heading in the right direction, we have not achieved anything YET, unless of course medals are handed out in November.
Just saying.....

 

Surely even the most ardent Wenger hater must be happy he is still in charge ?
If 90-95% of fans on a forum want him out after what we've achieved since the Villa game then they are truly deluded and will never be happy with anything the club achieve, ever !
25 points from 30 and 3 wins from 4 in the CL group of death.
That is staggering form by anyones's standards.....

 

Well said, couldn't agree more.

 

To be fair, "CHAMPIONSHIP STANDARD" is polite in comparison to what i was calling him. I distinctly remember referring to him as a pub team player, i'll stick with that view until the end of the season, there's still plenty of time for him to go back to being ****e.

 

Ha! Gota love the high and mighty's.

"Oh look at those idiots who weren't happy with 8 years of no success & a club showing absolutely no ambition. Let's gloat because our standards and aspirations are much, much lower."

Yeah, what idiots they all are.

 

I think it's really obvious that isn't what is happening here. You guys who where fairly negative seem to be getting your knickers in a twist! You have to admit it is fairly amusing to see how strongly some felt Wenger was no longer capable or how aweful Ramsey was and he would never make it... It's like the Lord Sugar and iPods will never make it quote.

If certain posters are going to slate everything Arsenal when things don't go our way then they should at least be gracious adn have a laugh at themselves when they are shown to be totally and utterly clueless on a subject

 

With how well Ramsey has played so far this season, even if he where to fail hard for the rest of the season i think he has already done more than enough to not be called a pub team player, especially as most are referring to him as the player of the season so far. Not to mention how well he played at the Olympics and the second half of last season.

With the case of Ramsey i think you just need to admit you where completely wrong. He was put under so much pressure the season Fabregas and Nasri left with Wilshere injured and thrown into the team, having to play week in and week out even when his form dipped (and he was actually really good for the first chunk of that season) whilst returning from a potentially career ending injury at a young age. You and many others where ridiculously hard on him and clearly couldn't see the potential that was there or understand why he may have struggled. Wenger kept faith and we are reaping the rewards. He is a quality player.

 

Whilst i agree we are yet to win anything and so far we are just moving in the right direction, i do think it is worth being pleased about where we are at, especially as the doom mongers by 12 games in last season had ripped the club to shreds. If people can be negative this quickly i don't see the problem with some early positivity.

Also i think to say it was Wenger being inactive in the transfer window without any mention of financial constraint is a little naive. And again to look at the lack of success in recent years without considering the changing landscape of the league (emergence of the mega rich clubs) and our own clubs position (e.g. new stadium etc) is a little narrow sighted.

Though i do get the point behind your post

 

Or some of us actually show some ambition, and think that we're not taking enough steps in the right direction?

This season has 10/11 written all over it, we were in the hunt until Wenger refused to sign a CB, and it all went to pieces. This time it'll be the striker though, not a CB.

 

that was a decent post up until the "totally and utterly clueless" bit, then you lost all the respect you'd just built.
what a lot of people fail to see, is that Wenger has changed, and actually addressed a lot of the issues people were asking for. I'm all for changing my mind, and I have, but I don't think I, or many of the others were proven wrong. In fact, I think a good lot were proven right in what they said. Wenger wasn't spending money - he now is, he was tactically inept - he still is on occassion, the defense was awful - it's clearly being coached better.
I'm happy with the improvements, and happy that after correcting those problems that many fans both saw, and commented on, success may follow.

 

In my head my post came across more light hearted than it now seems on reading it back

I agreed with some of the criticisms of Wenger and of the club, i just think there where a lot of fans who went way overboard with it and just needed someone to blame, regardless of what was going on. And i think the fact that the club didn't spend previously was down to lots of factors but thats a long and different discussion Now though the club is looking like it can spend money and like under Wenger we can play the sort of football that has us challenging for top honours (hopefully winning). So i think those people who thought getting rid of Wenger was the answer to all our problems have to a certain degree been proven wrong.

 

No one seems to have derived more pleasure from the barren run than the fans such as you. You have delighted in telling us all how crap our club is, how rotten all the players are and how stupid we all are for supporting them.

I still find it baffling to understand these people can see themselves as a "fans" of the club while thinking this, but to maintain this position even once we have started winning just seems mental.

I don't have any time for it myself. Even if we do win the league, I'm sure the depressing ****s will come back with, "Oh you cant say they are any good 'til they have won a champions league." As far as I am concerned, I'm going to celebrate every win and every good performance and continue to laugh at the clueless twats that thought Giroud, Ramsey and Wenger were not good enough for Arsenal.

If we keep winning, I am going to keep rubbing their noses in it for at least 5 years, which is at least how long they have been gloating over our dry spell.

 

That is the key word right there - 'gloating'. The impression the doomers were giving at the time was one of smug satisfaction after every poor result & revelling in Arsenal's failure. It was all very peculiar, but I hope the worst is behind us, at least for a while.

 

I think the main thing that bugged me over the fan schism is the Wenger out crowd seemed to think we were happy with the situation the club was in. I certainly wasn't and was genuinely concerned, I just hadn't gotten to the stage where I wanted Arsene to leave. To them it seemed very black and white. Like Wenger = happy with what's happening on pitch.

Mind you, I don't doubt for one minute we seemed as blinkered to them as they did to us!

Oh, and in fairness they're all supportive of Sagna (well, mainly!) and Aaron!