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Seriously Thinking of Not Going but I'm Glad I Did..

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. ibodyslamrhinos

    ibodyslamrhinos Active Member

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    Last two posts before BANKSY make no sense. Our high wages don't have anything to do with why we are so so bad on the pitch. We still spending more on wages than 90% of the teams in this league. SOD is massively to blame for how bad performances are, so to say he isn't is outright nonsense. They are HIS players that HE picks, and the majority are ones HE has signed HIMSELF! He is the one telling them to play this backwards, sideways, backwards football. HE works with them week in week out in training on HIS tactics.

    But as usual Cliftonville takes it off topic with how we need to balance the books and be patient, something we are all aware of already. But if Coventry can leapfrog with absolute ease in a quarter of a season despite a 10 point deficit on day 1, with no money and a smaller wage structure. I can't see why we can't at least match them at worst!

    I take your point Shiny, but we aren't asking to win every game, we aren't even demanding a win 50% of games, we are just asking that we TRY to win games, and the players on the pitch show the effort in fighting to win. At the moment we aren't seeing that, and I won't begrudge any supporter who stops coming because he or she has recognised that. Making the effort to travel, to pay your money for the experience to be let down by lack of effort, character, and commitment from the people you are paying to watch is a silly mans game.
     
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  2. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    When SOD arrived he should have been given the clear message that unless you keep us up, you are gone but no-one at AG had the guts to say that was the deal, take it or leave it.

    He failed dismally when many of us believed we should have stayed up and the rot had set in way before the start of this season and to be bluntly honest I think all this mess is down to the man's demeanour. No blame can be attributed to last years underperformers and the responsibility lies solely at the feet of our current manager but I am a firm believer that the major source of our ongoing problems rests on the people at the top. By my definition they haven't got a clue how to run a football club yet alone hire a decent manager, and what will happen when SOD eventually goes? Does anyone seriously believe that any decent manager would even give us a second look based on our farcical past in the managerial department?

    Despite my lifetime supporting Bristol City I believe they have now become a joke but then that is what the expectations are when you've been involved with this club for this long. Most frightening is that it will never change unless we can find some Icelandic bank to buy us!!!!!
     
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  3. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    City could match Coventry by spending LESS. A shocking 80% of Citys wage goes on four players. That is spending stupid, not smart

    In the current XI there are two I would replace tomorrow if possible, but it has to wait, till others are gone as I don't have the trifling hundreds of thousands of pounds in my back pocket to pay them.

    I have consistenly advocated a SMALLER wage structure, and more appropriate spending. Champiosnhips clubs spend less than City even now.

    Citys high wages do have a lot to do with results. The highest wage earners in the main do not even play now, money wasted.
     
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  4. Shinycitylad7

    Shinycitylad7 Looking at the stars mate

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    well that's a load of crap to start with... Can't just make things up <doh>
     
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  5. EnderMB

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    I want SOD to stay because I am sick of us ditching managers after a year. He also has a previous record of success, and wants to do things the "right way".

    Based on performances, SOD should be gone. I'll be the first to admit that. I hoped for a resurgence from us, but it's just not happened. If we lose again I will start to lose whatever faith I had left.

    In many ways, I'm torn.
     
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  6. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    It is crap because I meant twelve players accounted for 80% of the wages. I didn't explain it very well at all. Four of the clubs top earners are hardly XI. Jon Lansdown made the point himself.
     
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  7. ibodyslamrhinos

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    This still doesn't explain farcical tactics that have proved for an entire years worth of experimentation, they don't work. The manager from what I have seen lost the players a long long time ago, and if not for JET, we would be well and truly at the bottom. Rather than blame finances, explain how the team is one of the worst in the league with the players at our disposal?
     
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  8. RedorDead

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    I'm going, but I don't mind going to the dentist so I'm not the best to gauge on.
     
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  9. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    ps - His Fish-like charisma doesn't help either :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm<laugh>

    Sorry RP - couldnt help it......
     
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  11. tiger-emyrs-wolf

    tiger-emyrs-wolf Well-Known Member

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    Im going but then again I am slightly crazy
     
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  12. Cliftonville

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    I have not seen a year of experimentation. The team does play differently to last season. This season there has been a clear intent v Mcinnes changing things by the week, half, minute.

    Explain how .... Point to one post I have made that states "all" in the XI are cut out to play a passing game since the start of the season. Two I would get rid of tomorrow, it is unrealistic as there is no money to replace them. I don't rate some of them, no point getting vexed about it reality is they have contracts. City are stuck with some ...
    Again.

    If the tactics were farcical, and Mr O'driscoll had lost the players [silly] they would be getting gubbed threes and fours by half time e.g McInnes.
     
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  13. framptonfrank

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    Yes I`m going but I know I wont enjoy it. Can`t stand the tactics or shape of the team, we never threaten the opponents goal, rarely get into the opponents penalty area but usually have 60-70% of the ball. Nobody is taking responsibility to move forward or take opponents on, we just pass the ball along our back four occasionally making midfield, we must be the only club who can take a corner and end up with our goalie having the ball. For god sake hit the penalty area more, if we cant win the ball we may get an own gaol, corner or rebound. I was peed off under mc`innes playing one up front but with baldock as the loan striker its worse.
    Sorry if we go down I won`t renew my season ticket if I have to watch these tactics!
     
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  14. ibodyslamrhinos

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    To play SOD's way, the players have to believe in it. I do not see ANY belief in the players, in the way they move, in the way they carry themselves, in the effort they show! Not many people would disagree with that. So if they don't believe in the tactics, they don't have faith in the style of football they are told to play, what belief and faith in their manager do they have? Ergo "lost the players", which is far from "silly".

    The point is: (which you have STILL failed to answer or come back with a decent retort ) This squad is NOT a relegation fodder group of players. The last few seasons has been evident to most that we deserved to be fighting relegation because of the players we had. This year we don't have that issue! We have a playoff chasing squad at least! So if we are languishing in the relegation zone with no end to the poor results in sight, who is to blame?
     
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  15. gdknac

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    Just like Sheffield did on Saturday- I think that I am right in saying that we haven't had a penalty all season- To get one, you do have to get in the box.I was bored stiff on Saturday. SOD said we didn't look like conceding. I didn't think we ever looked like scoring.
     
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  16. ibodyslamrhinos

    ibodyslamrhinos Active Member

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    "The best form of offense is defense"... No the best form of offense is finding a way to score more goals than your opponent, not finding away to concede less than them.
     
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  17. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    He must change his set up tonight,we cannot let the little club from London pummell us all game as they will score for fun.

    We need to attack from the front,Let them worry about Jet,Baldock,Harwood running at them at least it will give us a chance.

    We are so boring to watch,change it SoD before the wrath of the fans come down on you.
     
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  18. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the squad is play off standard and have never stated such.

    I stated in july I hoped to see improvement. There have been some.

    Decent retort? No idea. It is poor, but I will take issue with the players having no belief, he has lost the dressing room [BS really], they are a shambles ... You would normally hear all sorts of bitchings comeing out of the dressing room, you would be seeing these Leicester and Wolves moments, you would see players giving up e.g Bolton away last season.

    I can see the intent. The implementation will take time, a lot of it.

    I don't see them now as relegation fodder either. There have been good bits. There are achilles heels to overcome in good and bad teams, and squads. I mentioned last week the way to stop City is pack midfield, allow certain players possession and they will go long. Sheffield did that, so did Shrewsbury, and others .. The way not to play City is open it up e.g Carlisle and Port Vale.

    That is a connundrum for the coach, a coach with financial restraints, and players on wedges he does not want.

    I could opine about going 3-5-2 , 4-3-3 [silly] or others, but there is little point. That would require £ x £ x him and him.
     
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  19. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    I said 2 months ago SOD's possession 'set up' is geared to play away.

    'the way to stop City is pack midfield, allow certain players possession and they will go long. Sheffield did that, so did Shrewsbury, and others'

    You can't, your coaching manual OR SOD, doesn't understand the difference playing home and away.
    99% of teams who come to A G are happy to sit in their own half, deny space and just wait for 'certain players' to go long.
    They're more than happy with a point and hope they sneak one - as last w/e.
    Tonight it may be different with Orient so SOD's set up may frustrate the leaders.
    Certainly hope so.

    I hope Clifton you will see the light.
    I've given up with SOD - That's why I want him GONE.
     
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  20. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    HERE WE GO HERE WE GO here we go HERE WE GO HERE WE GO HERE WE GO.......................

    GET BEHIND THE TEAM, GET BEHIND THE MANAGER

    ......HERE WE GO HERE WE GO .....
     
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