And the supporters want to keep our name as you could see at the match yesterday , you did go yesterday didn't you Craig ?
If you were at the KC yesterday you would have seen that it is in no way a small minority against the name change, it was louder than it has been since the Cardiff game. That is much more evidence than Allam has.
Yes, I know, but if you had read this thread from the beginning you would know that my point is that the players are paid by Hull City Tigers Ltd, and are contracted to Hull City Tigers Ltd.
But they only have real value if they're registered with the FA, just like Hull City AFC. A value of the trading name, is its connection to the football team registered with the FA.
Yes it is and the club's name is their identity. Enough felt passionate enough yesterday to sing City Till I Die. The evidence was there for all to see and hear. If he had of courted supporters and lined up some investors and had a ballot he may have got a different result. He didn't he told us to like it or lump it and we could have some of our money back in the bargain. He doesn't get it, its about identity not money. Its about our grandparents, parents, uncles, aunts, brothers, and sisters. Its what makes us Hull City supporters. Some don't mind the change, some will accept it because he's saved the club but yesterday showed how many think their identity is important and don't want it taken away. The sad thing is we all want the same things survival, financial security and success. For those that think we are financially secure. We are close to £100 million in debt to a man in his 70s. Think about what that means. In time that debt will pass to his children. All the things posters say on here about him walking away and selling players etc. may well happen in a few years time anyway. He wants a self-financing club which isn't dependant upon his children. The only people who can give him that are Hull City's fans.
Yes very flowery although I was expecting; "I wandered slowly as a cloud ..." to come in somewhere. Seriously though I know what I think based on what was written and so will anyone else who read the 'Invitation' thread.
Obviously I don't speak for all Hull City fans, but after yesterday, I'm more confident than ever that I speak for the majority of them. This is far from a one man crusade, there are twenty of us involved in CTWD, that number has grown by hundreds over the past 24 hours, I expect it will have grown by thousands in the coming weeks.
Lambo, there is absolutely no way that AA, no matter what he intimated in the meeting with CTWD members, would tolerate anything other than 100% autonomous ownership of the club, you do realise that don't you?
Your post #40: "Wonder who pays the players? Hull City AFC or Hull City Tigers Ltd." It's now Hull City Tigers Ltd. How can the name change of the company that employs/pays them have affected them? I don't understand what you're driving at? Do you? EDIT: The PLAYING NAME remains HULL CITY AFC
The issue i have is we shouldn't be nearly 100M in debt to him, he came in saying he would run it like a business but we have continued to make huge losses since, and i really think we are even further away from a self-financing club, i am currently reading through the accounts of three PL teams and i am so envious its unbelievable. They have come up to the PL, not spent milllions and sustained themselves, all without changing their names, yet we have to for some reason. Personally if it is a finance thing i think we should start looking at the costs rather than the revenue's.
you just defeated your own argument. a club is primarily the supporters but they aren't allowed opinions. that's what you're saying.
So this minority that you continue to smear all contributed to this thread you refer to? All of the relevant facts about them were outlined and discussed and a consensus was reasonably formed about each of them? The thread you refer to then is basically as good as any sound evidence you could hope to find? To be clear, which attendees of the meeting/members of CTWD do you see as ‘self serving devious people on a power trip’? It’s “I wandered lonely as a cloud” by the way. Very poor.
I thought this was a thread about him giving up his ownership completey? AA tried, unsuccessfully, to get let's of other local businessmen involved as owners of Hull City AFC. I'm desperately sorry that he didn't manage to pull it off, we'd be in a far better place.
So let's find 5000 fans to stump up £2000 each, taking into account the fact that this money in reality will never be re-paid. So that's 5000 fans with enough money to write off £2k each. That gives us £10m - we'd probably be able to buy a small minority share of around 10-15% looking at how much AA has pumped in so far. I'm not sure how the numbers can stack up - maybe I should read about Swansea's Fans Trust.
As with all dictators he will like to be surrounded by yes men telling him what a wonderful job he is doing, his vision of fan participation is representatives of the pleb masses endorsing his views with misty eyed adulation.
The club's name isn't the only thing that defines our identity and if you want to pursue that line the word 'Tigers' is equally part of our identity. You mention generations of people who have supported Hull City. They went to matches in the hope of the club being successful on the pitch and playing the highest level of football possible. Most of them never saw it. So do you think they would thank you and others of your opinion for throwing it all away because an owner dropped 'AFC' from the name and replaced 'City' with 'Tigers'? In my opinion we should be Hull City Tigers, but if the choice is between Hull Tigers and a winding up order I know what I prefer.
