Differing opinions within our ranks are a good thing surely?

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

Clearly by reading the content on here over the last few months it is obvious to see that the board has become divided, some want Hughton to go some want him to be given time to build his own side and to stick with the current tactics and regime.
We all loved Lambert the guy was like Jesus to us but footy is not always going to pan out as you would like and we are still in the Premier league under Hughton`s leadership.
Differing opinions make for lively debate and interesting fiery threads which is great ,but we must all realize that we all want the same thing which is a prosperous Norwich City totally debt free and owned by ethical nice people punching through that glass ceiling of success in one of the Worlds toughest leagues.
I am very satisfied in the direction we are heading but not satisfied in watching 90 minutes of slap stick defending impotent attacks and ridiculous player selections and subs ,not to mention when the subs have been made.
We will not go down or go bust but we need to start doing things on the pitch to justify our position .

 

[Northamptonncfc]

To be honest with you it's always been divided on here, especially in regards to the club ambitions and that dates back to the old 606. People do have the tendency to get upset when you look for ways of improving things, it's nothing personal though it's always got the clubs best interests at heart too.

 

[Kent canary]

I love the differing opinions on here and those that argue well, with passion or wit make for debates worth reading.

 

[Walsh.i.am]

Someone (Vietnam?) said it elsewhere today, but we have the best squad we've ever had, but the team is playing shocking football.
Immense credit to Hughton for getting this squad of players together - but if he can't get them to play for the shirt / each other (which he clearly can't - witness the first 80 minutes today) then sorry, we need someone in control who can.

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

Someone (Vietnam?) said it elsewhere today, but we have the best squad we've ever had, but the team is playing shocking football.
Immense credit to Hughton for getting this squad of players together - but if he can't get them to play for the shirt / each other (which he clearly can't - witness the first 80 minutes today) then sorry, we need someone in control who can.

If the season finished today and we are in 16th place with a big brown envelope full of cash from Rupert and BT Sports then i would sadly accept this as being a good season, it`s a cynical money driven corporate machine and we are securing our future just by taking part in the whole facade ...

 

[Walsh.i.am]

If the season finished today and we are in 16th place with a big brown envelope full of cash from Rupert and BT Sports then i would sadly accept this as being a good season, it`s a cynical money driven corporate machine and we are securing our future just by taking part in the whole facade ...

I couldn't agree more. But the sad thing is, that's what it's driven by these days, if you can play expansive, flamboyant football along the way, then great.
Two words I haven't used before in a post about Hughton run NCFC. And still didn't

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

We are unique as we are not owned by a rich Yank Russian or Arab, we are a funny club owned by a TV chef and helped by one of the worlds brightest minds in Michael Foulger, Steven Fry too , when we were in LG1 in £23m debt i was the most passionate fan in the world but since we became part of footballs Elite and rolling in money i just hope we score the odd nice goal and stay up, no more no less..

 

[DHCanary]

I'm happy to take a couple more seasons of mediocre football if it means we'll make substantial progress off the pitch. What concerned me was DM saying in a recent Q&A that stadium expansion was on hold so we could invest more in the playing squad. Hopefully that means we're just setting a little bit of money aside each year until we have enough for the expansion, but I'm concerned that we could end up getting relegated without the improvements made or the money to do so.

If we aren't saving for the future then, the quality of the football concerns me more, and I'm not sure what I think about Hughton staying any more. Circumstances haven't exactly helped him, but something clearly isn't right. Of equal concern is the lack of obvious quality replacements. We need our own Pochettino.

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

Prem = either crapping your p

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ants to go down or sell your soul to a foreign investor only interesting in turning a profit eg Man U and the Glazers.


A money laundering megalomaniac

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Or some oil Arabs with more money than sense

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[robbieBB]

Differing opinions are a good thing if you actually learn something about the subject under discussion. What's "good" about self-important twaddle, or the witterings of ignoramuses?

 

[GozoCanary]

Differing opinions are a good thing if you actually learn something about the subject under discussion. What's "good" about self-important twaddle, or the witterings of ignoramuses?

So who are the ignoramuses, Robbie? Anyone who thinks CH has had more than his fair share of chances and simply isn't up to the job? I don't want to argue with you, but we have been more or less clueless for almost one year now. How much longer do we give him? What has he done to suggest that he can turn things around and learn from his mistakes?

 

[robbieBB]

So who are the ignoramuses, Robbie? Anyone who thinks CH has had more than his fair share of chances and simply isn't up to the job? I don't want to argue with you, but we have been more or less clueless for almost one year now. How much longer do we give him? What has he done to suggest that he can turn things around and learn from his mistakes?

I'm sure we all have opinions on that vietnam. But, as I have observed before, it takes more sense than those who lack it have to realise their lack.

 

[GozoCanary]

I'm sure we all have opinions on that vietnam. But, as I have observed before, it takes more sense than those who lack it have to realise their lack.

This is rather cryptic. At least this weekend finally made me come off the fence. I know where I stand now and I want him out as soon as possible. You guys talk rather loosely about players (e.g Fox) 'not being up to Premiership standard'. I feel pretty sure now who isn't up to Premiership standard and it's not Fox.

 

[Home on the range canary]

There does tend to be dichotomous thinking on CH- he is either clueless or is slowly building a team. Just a few of my thoughts on the situation

1) There have been lots of poor performances, but good enough to stay up last season- this hardly marks him out as clueless
2) There has been an improvement in the squad, but the lack of depth is evident, a few players out and we begin to look even more vulnerable - but how could we be in a markedly different position.
3) The goal is to stay up, improve our position financially and gradually strengthen the side. I know that we have spent alot of money this season, but it is a fraction of most other team and the wage structure will limit who we can buy, and always will.
4) The notion of home bankers seems a fanciful notion, the teams are too close in ability for that to ever be the case for Norwich at this moment in time.
5) I share the idea that the team does seem to play with shackles on, and they are only loosened often too late in the day; it would be nice to see an early goal at home and see how the team plays when confident.
5) The lack of movement in the team is the biggest concern for me; can CH enable the players to move more effectively, i think the answer is yes, but how long it will take is an issue.

 

[GozoCanary]

There does tend to be dichotomous thinking on CH- he is either clueless or is slowly building a team. Just a few of my thoughts on the situation

1) There have been lots of poor performances, but good enough to stay up last season- this hardly marks him out as clueless
2) There has been an improvement in the squad, but the lack of depth is evident, a few players out and we begin to look even more vulnerable - but how could we be in a markedly different position.
3) The goal is to stay up, improve our position financially and gradually strengthen the side. I know that we have spent alot of money this season, but it is a fraction of most other team and the wage structure will limit who we can buy, and always will.
4) The notion of home bankers seems a fanciful notion, the teams are too close in ability for that to ever be the case for Norwich at this moment in time.
5) I share the idea that the team does seem to play with shackles on, and they are only loosened often too late in the day; it would be nice to see an early goal at home and see how the team plays when confident.
5) The lack of movement in the team is the biggest concern for me; can CH enable the players to move more effectively, i think the answer is yes, but how long it will take is an issue.[/QUOTE]


For me, #5 is key. I really don't think he can. I just don't believe he has the flexibility to do that. If he has to choose between making the system fit the players or making the players fit the system, he will always go for the latter (look at yesterday and moving Elmander to the wing).

 

[Home on the range canary]

There does tend to be dichotomous thinking on CH- he is either clueless or is slowly building a team. Just a few of my thoughts on the situation

1) There have been lots of poor performances, but good enough to stay up last season- this hardly marks him out as clueless
2) There has been an improvement in the squad, but the lack of depth is evident, a few players out and we begin to look even more vulnerable - but how could we be in a markedly different position.
3) The goal is to stay up, improve our position financially and gradually strengthen the side. I know that we have spent alot of money this season, but it is a fraction of most other team and the wage structure will limit who we can buy, and always will.
4) The notion of home bankers seems a fanciful notion, the teams are too close in ability for that to ever be the case for Norwich at this moment in time.
5) I share the idea that the team does seem to play with shackles on, and they are only loosened often too late in the day; it would be nice to see an early goal at home and see how the team plays when confident.
5) The lack of movement in the team is the biggest concern for me; can CH enable the players to move more effectively, i think the answer is yes, but how long it will take is an issue.[/QUOTE]


For me, #5 is key. I really don't think he can. I just don't believe he has the flexibility to do that. If he has to choose between making the system fit the players or making the players fit the system, he will always go for the latter (look at yesterday and moving Elmander to the wing).

Well, there was a limit to who he could bring on- but surely the latter is the aim, to get players who can most fruitfully play within a system- it seems to me that the type of player he has signed and tried to sign is designed to get the most from the players. They seemed to adapting to the system and were playing some better football

 

[RiverEndRick]

The whole point of a discussion forum is, well, discussion. Differing opinions make for discussion, but too often the the opinions are simply emotional outbursts as a reaction to the latest result. Others argue their case without the emotionalism. IMO, Vietnam is an example of this as his judgments about CH have been reasoned this season, sometimes in favour, sometimes against. Looking at some of the reactions to yesterday's match you'd think City were thrashed. In fact they had 51% of the possession in an away game against a top half team (Fulham had 37% possession against Swansea at home). I still favour Hughton staying because he is building a more sophisticated style of football suited to the PL. This hasn't been helped by the injuries to Hooper, Bennett, RvW, Tettey, and now Snodgrass and Pilkington. Hooper is back now but still adjusting to the PL. That is 5 players missing from a 22 player squad (not counting Ayala and Fox out on loan). Much will depend on getting some of those players back, but I really don't see how changing the manager will improve that situation. Palace have just spent 3 weeks looking for a manager and come up with Pulis. Is that really what we want?

 

[GozoCanary]

The whole point of a discussion forum is, well, discussion. Differing opinions make for discussion, but too often the the opinions are simply emotional outbursts as a reaction to the latest result. Others argue their case without the emotionalism. IMO, Vietnam is an example of this as his judgments about CH have been reasoned this season, sometimes in favour, sometimes against. Looking at some of the reactions to yesterday's match you'd think City were thrashed. In fact they had 51% of the possession in an away game against a top half team (Fulham had 37% possession against Swansea at home). I still favour Hughton staying because he is building a more sophisticated style of football suited to the PL. This hasn't been helped by the injuries to Hooper, Bennett, RvW, Tettey, and now Snodgrass and Pilkington. Hooper is back now but still adjusting to the PL. That is 5 players missing from a 22 player squad (not counting Ayala and Fox out on loan). Much will depend on getting some of those players back, but I really don't see how changing the manager will improve that situation. Palace have just spent 3 weeks looking for a manager and come up with Pulis. Is that really what we want?

You are quite right, of course - there is not a wealth of talent out there. But I now believe - rightly or wrongly - that we will get relegated if we stick with CH. So therefore, if you believe what I believe, it is logical to take the risk on someone else.

 

[ThaiCanary]

Palace have just spent 3 weeks looking for a manager and come up with Pulis. Is that really what we want?

and won an away game at the first attempt, with ten men - at Hull, where we failed against 10 men

 

[RiverEndRick]

"The lack of movement in the team is the biggest concern for me; can CH enable the players to move more effectively, i think the answer is yes, but how long it will take is an issue."

I agree with this as being the key. I don't go for the "shackles" view, because the problem is more to do with adjusting to a more complex style of play which involves a balance between shape and movement. I think the attacking players are improving in this regard and that that improvement will continue, but Palace will be the test.