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England V Germany 100% official match day thread

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jürgenmeiʃter, Nov 18, 2013.

  1. I was just playing on the word angry <ok>
     
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  2. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Well let's start with the negatives.

    The following players were either poor or rubbish:

    Walker - can't defend and certainly is useless going forward. The guy can't even give a 5 yard pass accurately!
    Smalling
    Cleverly the guy is not a DM and does not have one offensive pass in his repetiore
    Wilshere - can't run, can't pass - the complete England all-rounder
    Townsend - can run and shoot (occasionally) but is useless at passing and crossing
    Lallana - doesn't cut the mustard at this level. A few tricks and that's all.
    Gibbs suspect defensively and useless as an attacker.

    I'm tempted to add Sturridge but he gets my benefit of the doubt due to the almost complete lack of any true service.

    The only England players that I could talk positively about

    Gerrard
    Rooney
    Jagielka
    Cole
    Hart.

    Posatives

    Germany showed us how a defence and midfield should play and control the game.
    They didn't play their 1st 11
     
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  3. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

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    <laugh> Yeah I dont at all and this season i'd like Derby, Forest, and Leics to go up in that order, wont happen like <laugh>
     
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  4. I don't like Derby, Leicester or Forest (in that order) but equally, I'd like to see them all go up because I know people that support all of them and it would be good to see Liverpool batter them <ok>
     
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  5. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Just base don today's game Gerrard & Jagielka would go on the poor list. Didn't think either were great today. Henderson showed more than all the other midfielders put together.
     
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  6. I thought Jagielka was poor today.

    Harsh on Lallana who was playing just his second game for England in the biggest week of his career to date, remember he was in League One not that long ago too!

    I think people are being harsh on Townsend too but that's because he's been blown out of all proportion by the media.
     
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    Dopey batards the lot of you!
    You knew what the Hodge can can serve up and yet you still sat down to watch the game?
    I had fun packed 90mins watching paint dry..

    #ffs
     
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    All I care about is, did any of our lads pick up an injury?
     
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    Hendo looked better than Cleverley again. Why does one get the start and not the other?
     
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  10. Foredeckdave

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    Harsh!!! It matters not where you came from but if you want to be an international then you have to show that you can play at that level. Unfortunately Lallana does not appear to be able to step up to that level.

    Why do you think its harsh on Townsend? A wideman has to be able to cross and/or feed passess to the strikers. Townsend cannot do that. He's actually worse than Lenonon.
     
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  11. They should be able to cross but since he's a left footer playing on the right, I sincerely doubt that's what he's in the side to do. He has pace, can beat a man and can hit a shot. Sure, his shooting accuracy isn't that great but what wingers hit the target 75%+? If you're shooting from distance (which he is) then they're not going to be all on target. As I said higher up, he is what we (Liverpool) are missing IMO and I'd say he's a better option for England than Walcott, Lennon, Milner, etc too. Plus he has a left foot, his only competition there is Adam Johnson and Stewart Downing!!!

    I thought Lallana did alright. He will get better given time and will certainly make a decent squad player come the World Cup.
     
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  12. DirtyFrank

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    I agree with JB sort of.

    It'll never happen but you heard ballack say it tonight. Whine about 26% of English players playing in league but they are playing with quite a lot (& have done for a decade) of the best players in the world. Whine about coaches but they've had their pick throwing money wise at the very best coaches for two decades, all levels.

    And still, Chile as an entire team looked like each player could hold, pass and go past a player without a pause. Always successful? No, but they all to a man thought they had the ability..

    ****, even the guys we have that may have the ability don't have the mentality. Point all you want to English PL & CL winners but if they were the reason for those trophies they'd be the reason for England getting near one. All bottled at one time or other....

    My Theory? Egos. All the PL produces in it's English players. Built up before their time paid more for too early, too long, all hinges on one player at a time. Screamed at for failure then built again next tournament.

    Lesson? Your country hates you, but will treat you like a hero, pay you **** loads of money for no result then forgive you and do it all again.

    As a player that tells you, take the money and do the ads because no one else is serious about changing things......

    Gutless FA that will never back what happened in Spain Germany or France over the years where risk it all, dont always pick the media darling because they look like they are doing well in a foreighn loaded PL team or are the player that looks great dragging a mediocre team beyond what they are expected of.

    Pick a team that actually works well together.

    Never happen here, shame.
     
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    Can't agree with that analysis for either player. Lallana hasn't got the skill to step up and we can't afford another midfield squad player. If we can get Sterling to cross then he makes a better option for LFC.
     
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    . <ok>
     
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    That's was my point about Townsend Dave.

    All that step over and pace.... Not one effective cross. I don't know how old he is so might take that into account.

    But all that top 5 had sane problem at international level. Mentality. Touch & trick in a safe area no touch and vision in the tight spot where it matters.
     
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  16. Foredeckdave

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    Frank, why is it that every side manages to find a player in space to pass to in our midfield whereas our midfielders seem to have some magnetic attraction to opposition players when we have the ball. Why is it that when Gerrard drops deep into our half, finds himself a yard of space, our defenders hoof 40 yard passes to their defenders?
     
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  17. DirtyFrank

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    I'm goingtp say it.

    Germany hired Klinsman. Young, loads of ideas and bullshit talk but most if what he wanted worked, he spoilt it in his time with a lack of dedication but his FA got it and went on from there. Or before there?

    Weirdly (not scudding us) but Brendan is the kind of guy that England needs. Not BR specificly but that type. Arse that he was hoddle was close.
     
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  18. DirtyFrank

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    Pitches. This entire squad played on full side pitches from almost day one. Hoof before look. Result? Instinctive attraction to the side of the pitch the ball is on. ****, they almost talked about it at half time but didn't want to say that our players are essentially thick (footballing wise).

    I watched Germany tonight hoof 6 or 7 times in last 20 minutes but it was tactical. Each player looked up, saw how their team was set up (as opposed to looking for that one forward and aiming like us) and chose to give the ball to the other team. Why? Because they thought they'd get the ball back.

    It really really is about control first then pick the kids that can do it while being hit. Messi IMO couldn't but yet Coutinho looks like he can (in PL). So are we really saying in an age where our academies pick both foreign & english players, with foreign coaches that still the likes of Morgan doesbt make it?

    Is the difference, a foreign child will move to another country but Morgan at 18 wouldn't? (Not slag on Morgan just an example)? In another sport, is this why Andy Murray has succeeded.
    : went to country at a young age, got **** for it but now they suck his dick because he's a winner?

    Sorry rambling Dave,
     
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    When Klinsmann first came to the US, he talked the big game about trying to play the right way, trying to get the youth programs better, getting the right coaches like claudio reyna who has been there, done it, and seen it to lead our youth. Players like Brian Mcbride work with the youth now, it is great to see.

    In the beginning, all the ex players, the pundits, all of them were slagging Klinsmann off from the go and there was a moment where it wasn't quite working yet because change is just that, it is ****ing hard to take and hard to accept. Now fast forward a year...... we topped our group, won the gold cup, and had a goal differential of +28 for the year which breaks the record for goal diff in a calender year ( last held in 94). There are plenty of new faces in the group, we won the gold cup with essentially a B team, change..... it is hard to accept, but when you get behind it, it will bear fruit.

    Joey Barton was killing the england side, the manager, the youth programs everything...... some of it came off a bit sour grapes but there was truth in a lot he said on twitter today.
     
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  20. jenners04

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    i only watched the first half so cant say what happened second half.

    first half it felt a bit like watching us where we was playing good football but didn't capitalize on it, if like us we score its a dif game.

    Smalling and Clevely was ****, Gerrad was ok nothing to shout about, apart from the shot, but he should have been further forward for me, but i think he only feels confident of doing that when Carrick is playing.

    Hart was good, got his confidence back, which is a shame as we play them soon lol, i like the look of Lallana and Townsend, agree need to work on their end product but i see more hope in them than Wellbeck or Walcott.

    Walker i dont see what all the fuss is about to be honest, Johnson is still better for me.


    that's only a first half analysis, cant say if any thing improved in the 2nd half as QI was on and i was too tired to be swearing at the tele telling them they are all useless ****s.

    Rooney was good at holding the ball up just a shame the forwards didnt get proper supply to them, so Rooney and Sturridge was ok.

    one more thing that made me laugh, the commentator said most important save of Hartes career so far? a fecking friendly game is his most important save???
     
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