Everyone seems to forget the superb first 6 months of Kenny being manager. He dragged us right out of the **** that Roy had left us in, and at one point, there was just a chance, albeit a small one, of actually making top 4. So it's a bit disingenuous to make the blanket statement "Kenny failed as manager 2nd time around"
Careful Jonesey you'll be labled as a Revisionist as well!! It's getting more and more like the Cultural Revolution
Really don't see there being a debate apparent from on sentimental grounds. We wasted a huge influx of transfer funds the like of which we are unlikely to see again. Money on Carroll, Downing, Coates, Adam wasted. If we had someone with knowledge of football outside of England we could have seen say Llorente, Banega, I. Martinez and Schurrle. Just four names out of my head. We are only recovering from Kenny's summer now. We had the money to secure 3-4 top signings with about £65m spent. That was not delivered in the slightest. Those players should be stars in our team NOW. We bought a THIRTY FIVE MILLION pound striker - you'd expect that striker to be scoring 25 goals a season for YEARS with us. Come on.
You guys lie to chat some nonsense at times. Henderson is rubbish. Cleverley isnt much better either. Both should only ever be squad players. Carrick is easily one of the leagues best midfielders. Jones is fantastic. Looks weird as **** and as with all young players still has much to learn. Smalling is also a good defender, far better at CB that RB though. In time he'll see less of the RB role as Rio and Vidic move on. Between himself, Jones and Evans our defence is covered for the long term. Now for Young. No United fan anywhere on earth rates him, none. Hes ****ing dire. What opportunity are you supposed to be seizing btw? Your best chance was in 2009, it wont get better than that for a while.
Easy when your season is already over and you dont have any expectation. The thing is you guys are creating new expectations, former players and managers are adding to it so it will be interesting to see how you cope later in the season. Its a good 5 years since you had any real expectations. Back then the manager lost his mind and you failed. The same can be said of Arsenal, first time in years theres an expectation for success.
I doubt it. Lets be honest here. If either of our dynamic English midfielders played for any other club ( Barcelona aside ) we wouldnt take much notice of them. Both have on the odd occasion shown glimpses. The same can be said of many players. Glimpses shouldnt be enough to earn a place at the best clubs in the world. I also dont see you topping 2009 just yet. Its the only title challenge you've had in over 20 years. 2019 maybe
I'm not talking about Cleverley - he will never be more than a squad player for you based on what he's shown so far. Henderson however is far from 'rubbish'. Not brilliant, sure, but not rubbish. He has valuable qualities. Simple. The 'opportunity' we need to avail of currently is finishing above one or more of last season's top 6 teams. That is a difficult task, but by no means impossible. As a matter of course you should also refrain from predicting the future... who would have said City would be in the CL knock out rounds 10 years ago? There is always a margin for unexpected success and failure, however unlikely.
Now that statement is interesting. Either you are facing up to your new reality or demonstrating just how plastic the majority of United fans are or both!
I do understand you wish to show Dalglish in a good light. But comparisons must be valid (and fair too). It is most disingenuous to say or imply that Kenny took the club from 16th (from Hodgson ) to 8th meaning it to show how great a job he did. Hodgson left Liverpool mid season at 16th and it was very unlikely that he would have finished in that position. A fairer comparison of Kenny's achievement would have been against finishes in previous seasons. In that more objective comparison Kenny does not that well #biasedpraise
Kenny made some bad buys, for some reason, really dropped off hard in that in the second half of the second season. but you are forgetting that first half of a season he had where we were playing some lights out stuff ( which he then ultimately dropped players like maxi who were performing for him for th enew blood). You also forgot to mention he ended our cup drought and almost got us two. We were not great in the league, the buys were not that strong, but at least when I think back to King Kenny's return, I have silverware to look back on.
There is no denying that he got you to 2 cup finals. But in the final analysis, his contribution was probably more negative than positive. Yes, the cups were silverware you could be proud of. but like most fans have found out, being out of the champions league has had more impact in the medium to long term. When this top (top) player X thinks about joining a club, does he say" This club has won the league cup. Fantastic I will join it" or does he " this club has not won any cup last season but is playing in the CL next season so I will join". To me and most fans this is a no brainer... Not to mention his distractions with a certain player where whenver he had to choose he made the wrong choice...Not entirely his fault as he is of a certain generation. He should have had enough insight to realise than this was getting much much bigger than anything he could have handled (or expected to handle) on his own.
Bog Off Sm1thy! I'm not going into the details (again) but it was not his age that defined his stance on Suarez but the total unfairness of the process, the media reaction and the judgement. I'll leave Darko to argue that issue with you. You still don't understand. When we look back at what Kenny achieved we are now begining to recognise the Value of what he did for the club - which is far higher than the Cost.
Oh noooooooooooo. the cavalry is coming Are you saying that someone like Rodgers would have done exactly as KD did? Not a chance. Kenny whether he did it unwittingly brought ridicule to the club (the T shirt, the handshake, the interviews). I am not saying it is 100% his fault as I think someone higher up should have seen the big picture and removed him from the spotlight. He basically was left on his own to be crucified (and that is not only my view but many Liverpool fans's too). Sooner or later you will recover. Do you give the credit to KD saying he laid the foundations or to the new manager saying he did it despite what he was left with and that he would have done it sooner if the foundations had been better. After all you said that about Hodgson why wouldn't many say it about Dalglish? It is game of opinions. You will pick your own version of the truth and others will pick theirs.
Now sonny. I know its hard to come to terms with the disappointment regarding your own teams prospects and therefore you'll try and take comfort where you think you can. However, your hurt is really diminishing your already limited ability for critical appraisal.
To be honest Smithy makes some decent points. Kenny set us back, it's almost indisputable if not for sentiment.
well league wise i don't see much dif to what we had put up with before,so not exactly going backwards, just not forwards as far as league is concerned, but we had 2 cup finals to enjoy as well, don't remember the owners saying top 4 was the priority, any one else? another season who knows what he could have done, but i am more than happy the way the club is heading now with Brendan in charge, but Kenny will always be a legend, if he was afforded the luxury of 5 seasons before he starts having to achieve or out, we will never know will we sadly, his credentials as both a player and manager put him up there with the best, so he obviously knew what he was doing or wouldn't have been as successful would he.
