Q1. Who wants professional football in the City of Hull ? Q2. Who wants professional football at the highest level possible in the City of Hull ? Q3. If answers to Q1 & Q2 are both positive, are we currently positioned to maintain that ? Q4. If the answer to Q3 is yes, whoever is primarily responsible for that position, should we trust their judgement & ability to sustain that position or should we allow our history to disappear completely, i.e. no professional football in Hull, but a mediocre historical record in the annals of professional football ? As an avid, some might say fanatical, HCAFC supporter for 59 years, with a great appreciation & sense of history, as well as still being a season ticket holder ( from a distance sadly), I don't want to lose that enjoyment of top level football for my beloved team as a result of stubbornness on either side of the "name change" argument. Players come & go, managers come & go, owners come & go. The current owner seems to have given HCAFC the best profile & chance ever to maximize Q1 & Q2. I believe it's time to LAY OFF antagonizing the owner on this "Name Change" issue . The man's not for turning, but he is for maintaining the highest level this club has ever achieved. From a financial point of view, that is his objective. Deep down I believe he really wants to give back to the City of Hull, despite his bad experiences with the council, and his petulance exhibited in his response to the council & recent meetings & press releases with supporters groups. Majorities or majorities of minorities will make no difference to the existing mindset. In my mind, if you are truly supporters of you team (HCAFC) , please do the sensible thing...... Back off the pressure, let him get on with his "business" ideas....time will change things later when his tenure is done. The important issue is for the "professional football" in the City of Hull to survive.
If somebody seems incapable of understanding simple questions and giving the right answers to questions then I would seriously doubt his ability to make the right decisions in business. He may have done well in business in the past but that is in the past and could be because of his drive and energy in earlier years. I certainly don't have faith in his decision making now although he made a good call with appointing Steve Bruce. I think it was him who messed up the Shane Long deal. Just because somebody is pig headed isn't a reason to accept their authority. It's not like Hull City is going to fold. Most people will still go to matches even if they hate any new name. I think less people will start to support the club because they have a silly name. Less people will buy merchandise from the club. What will harm the club more is having a silly name.
i wont tolerate anyone who refuses to listen to reason or sense - and i especially have no time for how he sees himself over our club . There was once a strand of credibility in what he stood for as it was expected he would take professional advice and supporters thoughts into consideration. Allam says he knows best and for us to not worry about it for a good six months . Lets not be like Allam and hope it goes away - he says (paraphrasing) "i wouldn't worry about being in the hospital in 6 months time " This is the most irrational argument ever - as anyone with a brain wouldnt use such an analogy as you would deal with the matter as it arrises - like i hope he deals his business
We're trying to stop him from making a mistake, he should be grateful. There is no anti-Allam/Allam-out campaign, merely a campaign to stop a pointless name change. We are already Hull City, we are already Premier League, we should be taking advantage of both.
Frankly AA made a total fool of himself during this interveiw on th BBC radio, which is as shame having done so much for the club so far. I have said before that I have been and done business over the years in Egypt, and he will not change his position as that would now be a serious "loss of face". Also Ehab whatever his personal feelings are, he will never go against his father. I am right behind the "No to Hull Tigers campaign, but fear whatever we do will not change his mind.
There are plenty of people giving it loads with the "Allams out" Though OLM. It's pretty childish and pathetic, the first thing at the club they don't like and they throw their toys out the pram.
Q1 yes Q2 yes Q3 no The name change is Assem Allam's response to the answer to question 3. For those that listen carefully to what he said in his interviews all the information you need is there.
There may have been some rubbish posted in response to the interviews, but there is certainly no campaign to get the Allam's out and if there were, it would have little, if any, support.
If your statement is: 1. I want professional football in the City of Hull. 2. I want professional football at the highest level possible in the City of Hull. 3. We should do whatever we can to maintain that. That therefore means it would be suitable to conclude: 4. It would be good to franchise "Fulham" and move them to Hull. I think there is something a lot more inherent within a football club than the 'product' out on the pitch 25 times a year. It isn't a commodity to be owned by somebody, and fashioned how they see fit in order to generate the highest amount of profit. Football clubs rise out of local communities, and have been thriving for over 100 years due to local communities and their affinity with the club. That is why I think it is ultimately wrong for any single 'person' (especially not a fan) to own that club. Though, if somebody is to 'own' the club, they certainly shouldn't go against the community which that football club is founded out of.
Fan ownership just wouldn't work when other clubs had sugar daddy owners. It would have to be compulsory for all clubs to be owned (at least a majority) by the fans.
If you genuinely aren't in the "Allam OUT" corner, it might be to the advantage of the NoToNameChange campaign if you responded to some of the abuse the man is receiving on the other thread. Otherwise Allam OUT will become associated with NoToNameChange.
You will not see any Allam abuse from the CTWD campaign, but as a group we can't be held responsible for everything posted on message boards, we're not the forum police.
Personally, I think that CTWD are annoyingly nice to Allam, I think they should be much more critical. I have emailed them a couple of times expressing my dislike of Allam, but they only restated their intentions of being 'grateful' to him. For me, the name change is just one of many issues with having an owner of a club that does what he wants. I believe in fan ownership, but I would perhaps be accepting of a medium where owners are obliged to behave somewhat democratically on certain emotional fan issues.
The campaign really should publicly condemn those shouting "Allam Out" and distance yourselves as much as possible from them. You're going to lose a lot of potential support otherwise.
TigerCanada. Would you believe that i know some fans who would rather we kept the name Hull City AFC and were in league 2 enjoying trips to Torquay, Plymouth and Exeter ? Where do these people think the money comes from. 10 years ago most fans would have gone along with a name change when we were struggling in the championship for what we have now. If Dr Allam CAN and i mean CAN bring in the mega bucks that we need then so be it. the 109 years of history wont end for starters. Plus its hardly been 109 years of success either. Since 1966 ive known far more years of pain suffering and struggle than glory days. Now we have a real chance for a club that we all want. A top flight club with top players and a top manager. We are almost there.
I find the obsession with financial success bizarre. If that is what it is all about, then why not just go and support Google in the stock market, praise their investments and see them rise in the corporate world? Or at least just support some other financially successful club. I assume we support Hull City for more than just their success, but something deeper. It isn't just somewhere we pop down to on a Saturday for some entertainment, and we could go to the cinema, or shopping instead. It is something deeper, however silly that may seem when analysed rationally. Maybe I am actually in a minority, and if so - then fair enough. Ruthlessly sack great servants of the club, change the name, move to Melton - do it all because you all just want the club to be financially successful. I believe/hope that most fans feel there should be something else, more integrity to the club than merely seeking financial success at all costs.
