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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by King-Cellino-Is-God, Nov 9, 2013.

  1. King-Cellino-Is-God

    King-Cellino-Is-God Member

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    "I disagree on Ross been star player I find him massively over rated. He's missed a lot of chances few games he's show glimpses of his best but since his contract was signed he's been poor"

    Michael-The-Messiah-Brown on Ross McCormack.

    or

    "I see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone"

    Charles Darwin in his foreword on the Origin of Species.

    :emoticon-0105-wink: Ross McCormack du du du!
     
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  2. The-Don

    The-Don Well-Known Member

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    I stick by what I said, his finishing the last two games has been clinical but could easily have scored double in the games before :) glad he reads the forum and takes my criticisms on board.

    I would have dropped him after hudders but I'm not the manager luckily :)

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  3. The-Don

    The-Don Well-Known Member

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    He is overrated by us leeds fans but is by far our best player :)


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  4. esteponawhite

    esteponawhite Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't give a **** about the religious views of anyone,
    Ross scored four.
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  5. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I dont agree with double, he wasn't as clinical as he could've been admittedly but the only reasonably easy chance he missed was the one on one at brum, other than that they were all fairly hard chances that probably none of our other players would've tucked away. I think he has been great this season even without the goals, he went through a little dry period but was still looking good imo. BMD has done well with him
     
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  6. KingRadebe

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    Seriously!?! The man just won us our first away game in how ****in long!.... And scored 4 goals in a game an u still wanna question him. Give ur ****in head a wobble pal!!
     
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  7. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    And he won me 200 quid
     
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  8. BoggersMOT

    BoggersMOT Well-Known Member

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    Okay Elland, well done. Mine's a pint.

    On Ross, he scores plenty, but could score more. At least he and the team are now creating plenty. Let's just celebrate that. We're still 8th, but yesterday will put us on notice to other teams. Charlton don't concede that many at least at home, & we scored.... sorry Ross scored 4!!! Should make our next fixture interesting. Should also give the club time to get Byram fit.
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    His new contract now looks a master stroke. He's probably worth double what boro were offering and hopefully he shows them what they missed in two weeks. As for Byram, I'll be getting a little worried if he's not fit by next game
     
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  10. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Ross this season - Outstanding

    Ross during his entire Leeds Career - Average

    When MTMB wrote that he was just about right, not too many criticised him back then but hey, who would be a manager.

    I remember debating with Josh last season (might have been the one before that even) when he said Ross who was going through a lean spell at the time should have been dropped a few weeks earlier.

    Hindsight is a great gift that none of us have, you never know when a striker is going to go on a lean spell and 6 games without scoring or net a bag full.

    On another note we are going to be in trouble if Ross picks up an injury, the midfield are not exactly helping out at the moment when it comes to scoring goals.
     
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  11. BoggersMOT

    BoggersMOT Well-Known Member

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    The midfield don't have to score that many Ristac, they just have to continue to create the chances for Ross & Smith to finish off
     
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  12. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They can supply all they want in the way of chances but if Ross is injured it won't make much difference. Ross will also hit a dry spell as all strikers do and I still maintain it would be nice if the midfield could start taking some pressure off the front men.
     
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  13. BoggersMOT

    BoggersMOT Well-Known Member

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    Fair point Ristac.
     
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  14. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    If Ross gets himself injured then I would hope that whoever is given the chance grabs it with both hands, like Brown and Pugh did. Smith, Hunt, Poleon, Blackstock, EHD are all capable of doing it if in he right positions. You never know peeps, we may end up with someone else in January??
     
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  15. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree with this, all pre-season I have been saying that teams that get promoted from this league don't actually NEED a 20 goal a season striker and to prove it, look at the previous teams to get promoted, the last one with a genuine goalscorer was southampton. But for that to be the case, the team need to be getting goals from all over the pitch.

    Although having said that, Ross is starting to convince me he can surpass that 20 goals this season.
     
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  16. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Personally I believe you need at least 70 goals for promotion, I agree there are times this is proven wrong but generally you will need somewhere near 70 goals for a serious challenge. I didn't believe Ross had 20 in him but maybe he has, lets say he hits 25 have the rest of the team even 40 goals in them? No they haven't. We 'might' have an impact sub in Smith or Poleon who might scrape double figures but our lack of goal scorers or those who can find the back of the net is the main reason why I believe we are a mid table team, a shame as usually it is the defence that costs us a promotion chance.
     
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  17. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say you need 70 goals, I wouldn't even say that you need a 20 goal a season striker there but we may have that in Ross. We have scored 5 goals more than QPR and only a couple behind Leicester and 1 behind Reading and Forest so I don't think we are really behind on that front at the moment. Cant really see any reason why we would slow down either, think we just need to be able to close out games better and have more games where we are more controlling than so far this season. We aren't a promotion team yet and won't be this season but we are getting there
     
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  18. BoggersMOT

    BoggersMOT Well-Known Member

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    Only time will tell as to whether or not we're a promotion team Josh. But I certainly think that this new formation will push us to a top 6 finish.
     
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  19. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    2009 -2010

    Newcastle 90
    WBA 89
    Forest 65
    Cardiff 73
    Leicester 61
    Blackpool 74


    2010 - 2011

    QPR 71
    Norwich 83
    Swansea 69
    Cardiff 76
    Reading 77
    Forest 69

    2011 - 2012

    Reading 69
    Southampton 85
    West Ham 81
    Birmingham 78
    Blackpool 79
    Cardiff 66

    2012 - 2013

    Cardiff 72
    Hull 61
    Watford 85
    Brighton 69
    Palace 73
    Leicester 71

    I still believe you need around 70 goals for a chance of promotion. You might do it with a fraction above 60 but even if Ross has his best ever season and nets 25 does the squad have another 35+ goals in it and our defence would have to be squeaky clean.
     
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  20. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    But Ristac, we are on course for that anyway, a third of the way through the season and we have 22 goals so we won't be that far off and we have outscored the promotion favourites so far. I just don't believe we are in that much danger going forward.
     
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