If you want to debate the point feel free and crack on. If you just want to be a disruptive arsehole, I'll simply delete it.
These statistics prove my point, Battle of Britain Timeline 6 Sep 1939 German aircraft attacked Great Britain for the first time. 29 Oct 1939 The first German aircraft to be shot down in Britain, a He 111 bomber, crashed near Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom. The kill was claimed by No. 602 and No. 603 Squadrons RAF. Two members of the crew of four survived the crash and were captured. 9 Nov 1939 Adolf Hitler issued directive No. 9 which called for German aircraft and submarines to attack British shipping and port facilities. 13 Nov 1939 German bombers struck the Shetland Islands, Scotland, United Kingdom but did little damage. 1 Jan 1940 German aircraft bombed RAF Coastal Command at Sullom Voe in the Shetland Islands, Scotland, United Kingdom damaging light cruiser HMS Coventry and ground facilities with the loss of one Ju 88 bomber. 3 Feb 1940 The first enemy aircraft to crash in England was a Heinkel He 111 aircraft shot down near Whitby, North Yorkshire by Flight Lieutenant Peter Townsend flying a Hurricane fighter of 43 Squadron. Two of the four German crewmen were killed. After the war Townsend became a household name for his ill-fated romance with Princess Margaret. 1 May 1940 A German bomber crashed in Essex, England, United Kingdom, killing the crew and two civilians, wounding a further 150 people. 1 Jul 1940 Operation Seelöwe (Sealion), a plan for the invasion of Britain, was first mentioned by the German General Staff. On the same day, German bombers began a campaign against British industrial centers, beginning with a daylight raid on Hull, England and Wick, Scotland, killing 12 and wounding 22. 3 Jul 1940 German Luftwaffe aircraft bombed Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom. 4 Jul 1940 Kanalkampf: German Stuka dive bombers and motored torpedo boats attacked British Allied Convoy OA178 south of Bournemouth, England, United Kingdom, which was near Portland. Five merchant ships were sunk, which were British ships Elmcrest and Dallas City, Dutch ships Britsum and Decalion, and Estonian ship Kolga; several other ships were damaged. Meanwhile, German aircraft bombed the Royal Navy base in Portland, sinking British auxiliary anti-aircraft ship Foyle Bank, killing 176, as well as tug boat Silverdial. 7 Jul 1940 Kanalkampf: Six British fighters were shot down during aerial battles with German aircraft, killing four. 9 Jul 1940 German Luftwaffe aircraft attacked shipping in the English Channel and off the British coast. 10 Jul 1940 Kanalkampf: A large German aerial formation attacked one of the eight British convoys in the English Channel; the target convoy was code named Bread, escorted by 6 Hurricane fighters. Upon detecting the incoming aircraft, four squadrons of British fighters were launched to counter the attack. At the end of the battle, seven British aircraft were destroyed and one of the Bread ships was sunk. The Germans lost 13 aircraft. This surprising victory led to the British announcing that 10 Jul was the start of the Battle of Britain. Elsewhere, the German Luftwaffe's first major targets on land included the Swansea docks and the Royal Ordnance Factory in Pembrey. The British tanker Tascalusa was sunk during one of the attacks. 11 Jul 1940 Battle of Britain: German aircraft attacked the British Royal Navy Base at Portland in southern England; 1 British Hurricane fighter, 2 British Spitfire fighters, 2 German Ju 87 Stuka dive bombers, and 2 German Bf 109 fighters were shot down. Off the eastern coast of England Hurricane fighters of No. 66 Squadron RAF attacked a Do 17 bombers on a reconnaissance mission, shooting it down but they also one of their own. Off the coast of Kent, a German rescue seaplane escorted by 12 Bf 109 fighters was shot down by the British while en route to rescue downed German airmen; 2 of the 6 Spitfire fighters and 2 of the 12 Bf 109 fighters were also lost. 12 Jul 1940 Battle of Britain: German He 111 and Do 17 bombers attacked Allied convoy code named Booty off of Essex and Suffolk, England; 2 British Spitfire fighters and 1 British Hurricane fighter were lost in the battle, but they prevented sinkings. In southern England, German Ju 87 Stuka dive bombers attacked Portland and Exeter, losing two aircraft. At Aberdeen, Scotland, a He 111 bomber on a reconnaissance mission was intercepted and shot down, but was able to release one bomb on the city before crashing into the city's ice rink. 13 Jul 1940 Kanalkampf: German bombers attacked Allied Convoy CS5 near Dover, England; escorting destroyer HMS Vanessa was damaged by near misses and had to be towed to port by destroyer HMS Griffin. Convoy Bread was attacked once again, this time off the Dorset coast; 6 German bombers were shot down while several British fighters were also lost, killing 3 pilots. 14 Jul 1940 German aircraft attacked the Allied convoys in the English Channel, sinking or damaging only 5 ships despite the large number of aircraft sent. German bombers also attacked RAF airfield at Manston in Kent in southern England, United Kingdom and a destroyer in Swanage Harbor, Dorset, causing little damage. BBC reporter Charles Gardner provided the first eyewitness radio report of the Battle of Britain as he watched German aircraft attacking a convoy in the English Channel. Meanwhile, the British Royal Air Force leadership directed its pilots to ignore German aircraft with Red Cross markings, as such aircraft were suspected of conducting military reconnaissance missions in the English Channel. 15 Jul 1940 Battle of Britain: Low cloud and rain kept most aircraft grounded, but small formations of German bombers still ventured into British air space. The attack along the Scottish coast was unfruitful, and the raid on the Westland Aircraft factory at Yeovil, Somerset, England damaged one runway and one hangar. German bombers were also sent to attack the convoy code named Pilot, but British fighters drove off the bombers before they reached the convoy.
To be clear what is the point you're arguing? I suspect you're arguing about "most bombed", when (accepting what was posted earlier) it's generally held Hull was the second most bomb damaged, which is slightly different.
Am I correct in believing you accept that 'rover tiger' was wrong, and I was right, when he said,"......... we was the second most bombed City after London." I said "Not at all, it's simply not true", and I was right wasn't I?
Yes, as I understand it, we were not the second most bombed, but it does depend on how the figures are compiled as some only count raids of over 100 tonnes and often only the primary targets, whereas we got collared with the left overs as they headed home.
No it doesn't ......... you weren't the 2nd most bombed, just accept your mate was wrong and I was right all along, as I said. If not I can post more stats to prove the fact.
The Battle of Britain Timeline gives little information about the scale and extent of the bombing of UK cities - it refers to a relatively short period within the war. Herbert Morrison was the Minister of Supply and Home Secretary in Churchill's War Cabinet and, in that role, had one of the most accurate overviews of attacks throughout the period. He wrote ..."The Coventry raid was, of course, appalling in its intensity and as it was the first serious attack on a provincial town it goes down in history for the creation of a new word for human brutishness - coventrated. London with its sixty consecutive nights of bombardment received the greatest tonnage of bombs, as well as daylight raids, but London is very big and as the world knows London could, and did, take it. But don't underestimate the troubles, anxieties and sufferings of the Londoners. Plymouth, as a naval town and easily identifiable on the coastline, received a terribly concentrated series of attacks and Liverpool had a nasty week. Manchester, Belfast and Clydeside had nasty times. There were others. But in my experience and from remembrance of the reports, I would say that the town that suffered most was Kingston-upon-Hull. We had reason to believe that the Germans did not realize that they were bombing Hull. Morning after morning the BBC reported that raiders had been over a 'north-east town' and so there was none of the glory for Hull which known suffering might produce. The raids on Hull were only occasionally concentrated so that the devastation of a few houses did not produce stories of disaster and heroism to repeat far and wide. Hull often suffered for what might be said to be no rhyme or reason except that it was an easy target. But it was night after night. Hull had no peace." http://www.rhaywood.karoo.net/bombmap.htm
It is my understanding that,after London, Hull was the most severely damaged British city or town in WW2.Statistics that I have seen indicate that of around 92,500 homes in Hull only about 6000 escaped any bomb damage with about 1500 totally destroyed,about 3000 damaged requiring demolition and roughly another 4000 damaged beyond repair.Of the remainder about 11,500 seriously damaged homes were rehabilitated and about 67,000 suffered slight damage. My Dad was a pilot in the Battle of Britain and my mum told me one of the airfields he operated from was RAF Driffield.His luck finally ran out in 1942 when he was shot down over the Med. 2 months before I was born.
There really wasn't much of Hull left... [video=youtube_share;xayHnW7vV5M]http://youtu.be/xayHnW7vV5M[/video]
Just watched all the grounds on Sky where a minute's silence was being observed impeccably, which goes to prove that most of you are talking out of yer arses on this one.
Why are we having this petty argument when everyone in the ground was paying their respects and offering their appreciation to those who have served? If anything, we should be more annoyed about people like the morons who ruined the silence at Grimsby V Scunny yesterday, not cheap points scoring.
Harry Patch on surviving war- whilst at the cemetary at Flanders, overlooking the graves of dead soldiers: 1. “ Any one of them could have been me. Millions of men came to fight in this war and I find it incredible that I am the only one left. Harry Patch On War: 2. "Too many died. War isn’t worth one life” 3. “ Its the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". 4. "We came across a lad from A company. He was ripped open from his shoulder to his waist by shrapnel and lying in a pool of blood. When we got to him, he said: 'Shoot me'. He was beyond human help and, before we could draw a revolver, he was dead. And the final word he uttered was 'Mother.' I remember that lad in particular. It's an image that has haunted me all my life, seared into my mind." 5. "...if any man tells you he went over the top and he wasn't scared, he's a damn liar." 6. "All those young lives lost in a war which ended across a table. Where's the sense in that?" 7. "War is organised murder and nothing else....politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder" He's said it all. May their brave souls rest in peace
Except that the Sunderland 'silent brigade' were the ones who started last week's minutes applause. Clearly they're only respectful at home games.
