Jeez, governments of course have nothing to do with it. You can't have it both ways though I guess you own a car,maybe 2 ,take your holidays abroad by plane,tap on your computer and mobile phone made from plastics, sit in your nice centrally heated house while you debate on the Internet , if your willing to go without all those things and stop being the consumer then you can slag off the oil companies. Supply and demand, opt out of it all then feel free to complain ,you are as much to blame as anyone,stop demanding oil based products then you solve the problem otherwise your a hypocrite just like the green peace idiots
I agree with the idea behind Greenpeace but totally disagree with their methods. I have emailed them and told them to use their £250,000,000 income from donations to buy shares in the companies they are trying to change. In a matter of decades they would have gained enough shareholder influence to play a part in said companies policies, any and all profits could be reinvested as more shares in more companies. Buy enough of an oil company and you can change it into a Fusion Reactor company.
Major difference is that a whale is a keystone species that holds an ecosystem together! Can't really be bothered to go in depth but this article sums it up and keeps things simple: Whales are important for a number of reasons. First whales have become an important topic for study amongst marine biologists and scientists. Biological studies in behavior, echolocation, language, intelligence, environmental impact and various other topics have helped scientists learn so much about the whale species and their impact on this world. Whales help to regulate the flow of food (by stabilizing the food chain) in the ocean. A blue whale for example can consume as much as 40 million krill per day so you can imagine the impact this would have on stabilizing the aquatic ecosystem if the blue whale species were to become extinct. Even whale poop plays a large role in helping to offset carbon in the atmosphere. Studies have shown that the nutrients in sperm whale poop helps stimulate the growth of phytoplankton which pulls carbon from the air providing a cleaner and healthier breathing environment for all animals. (Same amount roughly as the rain forests) Estimates state that as much as 400,000 tonnes of carbon are extracted from the air due to these whales each year! In additional to feeding carbon fighting phytoplankton the fact that whale poop stimulates the growth of phytoplankton means that it also helps feed other species that feed on phytoplankton for their survival, which help feed the fish allowing them to thrive and reproduce, and the fish feed many other species that eat fish to survive. In short whale poop plays a major role in maintaining the cycle of aquatic life and is just one of the many different things that make whales so important. Whale watching has become a big international spectator sensation over the last several decades. Billions of dollars have been spent by people hoping to get a glance at these majestic creatures in their natural habitat. This spending has led to increases in economic growth and stimulation for both wealthy and developing economies world-wide and has become a major source of income for some countries as a part of their tourist attraction. In the past whales played an important (albeit sad) role in our economic system. Whale parts and oil were sold and used for many different things including soap, margarine, corset material and transmission oil additives. During the whaling era many species were slaughtered causing many of them to become endangered and causing all sorts of environmental changes which have effected the earths ecosystem from increased levels of carbon dioxide to global warming (which is affecting our polar ice caps) and changes in the feeding habits of many aquatic lifeforms due to a destabilized food chain. Four reasons why whales are so important to our environment: Whales play an important role in stabilizing the aquatic food chain and reproduction of other species. As more whales are killed the food distribution in the ocean becomes destabilized and causes changes in the food supply of many other kinds of marine life. Scientific studies of the cetacean species (whales, dolphins and porpoises) has led to a lot of discoveries and advancements regarding echolocation, aquatic environments, marine life/biology and marine mammal intelligence and other important oceanic topics. Whale poop plays a large role in stabilizing the offset of carbon in the atmosphere providing a healthier environment for both land and aquatic lifeforms. Whale watching and various other spectating activities have brought in billions of dollars helping stimulate economic growth in various cities, states and countries. I will say I don't agree with the extreme methods of Greenpeace but I am an environmentalist and conservationist who goes on science rather than putting feelings before facts.
After reading further down the thread I do agree with some of your points but not on everything! And your arrogance is pretty outstanding!!!!!! The sustainability of the fisheries within the EU are notoriously poor because of the EU common fisheries policy (which now is only being reformed) We (humans) are carnivores therefore require nutrients from meat. So the meat we choose to eat must be sustainable and cows, chickens, lambs etc.... Are a sustainable source. And to say global warming is a myth is just daft FACT! I also don't understand how you can defend oil companies? I really can't stand the major oil companies they all place profits in front of everything!
Your out of kilta on so many levels here . And as ive said earlier, the numbers of minke whale are stable and not beng wiped out ,there is a quota in place that restrict the number that can be killed, its great to talk about tourism etc, but to other cultures whaling has been a part of their way of life for 100's of yrs well before tourism and groups lik greenpeace ever exsisted . Im not saying its right what im saying is that 2 wrongs don't make a right. its good that you mention ecosystems though . what does controlled farming do to the eco system? look at the rainforests being destroyed by corporations like mcdonalds , destroying the land so soyabean production can increase 60% so the chickens get fed before being turned into mcnuggets. Cows ? holding ecosystems together ? hmm.. why people thin the whales matter and cows don't becaue they are bred for a purpose need to get more information. " " Soybean production in the Brazilian Amazon states grew approximately 60 percent between 1998 and 2002, and the cattle herd nearly doubled from 26.2 million in 1991 to 51.6 million in 2001, making Brazil the second largest soybean exporter and the world̢۪s major beef exporter... This increase in production has transformed the agricultural sector into a serious threat to the Amazon environment... By 2050, current trends in agricultural expansion will eliminate a total of 40 percent of Amazon forests, including at least two-thirds of the forest cover of six major watersheds and 12 eco-regions." My point here is the reason that everybody picks a certain agenda, talking about whales being extinct talking about how they influence the environment , well, all animals influence the environment and eco systems directly and indirectly . Why is whaling so bad ? least there is control and correct management . How about cows bred for food? is that still ok? considering the damage done to the whole planet with the Amazonian rainforest losing 40% of its size in years to come and there being no correct management of resources id say your all looking at the wrong thing . Ecosystems eh ? ... Whale **** produces less for the environment than a rain forest does PS The numbers of killer whales are believed to be increasin and becoming a problem here ,they are actually destabalising the local eco system because they are over fishing the herron Nature eh ? it always finds a way.
depends which type of governemt your talking about. your talking conspiracy theories now arnt you? The main oil company here is state owned and pays the pension fund to everyone and many other things, over £1 billion a week is set aside for anything the country requires in terms of health,benifits and long term retirement. Its the government that decides on where,when and how money and business is spent and done. No Oil company does anything unless the Government gets their slice and decide on the course of action ,they dictate the policy not the oil companies. You avoided my question before you reclined back into your oil friendly way of life by the way
I have no issue with oil companies purely because I would be a total hypocrite if I did, I drive a car,i fly in planes a lot,i purchase a lot of oil based plastics,i love my centrally heated home and I love to keep the outside lights on at night . Im sure most of you people feel the same, at the end of the day its not Oil companies fooking up the environment,its not whales being hunted for meat , the thing that is fooking up the environment ...IS US HUMANS !! you stop your love of luxury, your far away trips to the sun etc,etc and opt out an grow your own fruit,veg and meat , you cant have your cake and eat it !! you cant have ecological harmony without sacrifice, don't use the internet,save the energy that you've wasted talking bollocks on here , stop being such a hypocrite or just accept that your either in all the way or not at all. Save the planet eh ? go on then
That's all fine to say, but as with any multinational corporation their sole aim is profit. Greenpeace is a valid and useful "consience" to ensure the multinationals are aware of their environmental policies - or do you think these companies would willingly and voluntarily reduce their shareholder dividends?
If you think greenpeace is valid that's up to you, but there are plenty of agendas to chose from not just the glamorous ones . People pick the agendas that suit themselves, truth is that we as people are not really interested in changing the world as we are far too comfortable with the way it is . Until people decide to go without those comforts then greenpeace will always just be a flag of convienience for all those too lazy to do anything real about these situations .
Norway listen every country within the EU are governed by the EU common fisheries policy and it includes catch quotas! Just because there is a catch quota doesn't mean it is sustainable! https://www.uea.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.80196!daw%20and%20gray%202005%20-%20cfp.pdf Also when was the last time you did research into logging of the amazon rainforest! Palm oil is most probably the main reason and its unsustainable practices!
Why would you suppose that? Oh I see 2+2 = 375 in your world doesn't it ,forgot about how totally off the mark you are with everything you comment on musty...
Oil, whales, Norway... Ah, I get it. Stop oil extraction and stop whaling and you'd have to move back home because Norway would be bankrupt. ;-)
But apparently they've used oil-based products some time in their life (like everybody else on this planet) so they have no right to complain.
