I haven't seen enough of Marriott to make a real conclusion on him although his record at reserve level sounds promising but he either needs to go out on loan at a decent level or be on our bench. Currently I'd like to see him ahead of Nouble but can't see that happening so he needs to go out on loan. He might be decent but there doesn't seem to be quite as much hype around him as others in the past. I get the feeling we would barely be talking about him if our other strikers were any good. As for writing out season off already, I think that's ridiculous, going on the past few seasons the difference between midtable and the playoffs has been very small and I think we'll be more consistant than most teams. Going by previous seasons teams seem to hit runs of good form followed by poor runs, I think we'll plod along nicely and if we get a bit of luck, I see no reason why we can't creep into the playoffs. As I said going by the previous few seasons I can't see how you Hamps can write us off already given you expect us to finish midtable, which has been very close to the playoffs in recent years!!!
Really simple PTC, we are six points adrift. We would need a spectacular transformation. It's not impossible but it is completely ridiculous to think we're even close to that at the moment and time is running out because as soon as that deficit gets to 10 or 12 points you are never going to close it. Not one single person has seen Marriot play at first team level save for 30 minutes last season and that is the whole point PTC.
If you want I'll try to do a bit of analysis of teams that got into playoffs over the last four or five years. I will bet you anything you like that any that made up a significant deficit had a major change during their season.
Personally i think we will be bottom half rather than top half, hope i am wrong but dont have any faith and from what i have seen i think we may end up bottom 6. Hopefully the recent form is a minor blip!!
sorry to double post but last time I looked 6 points is only 2 wins. Now considering we have to play everyone ahead of us once more then if we win those games it would be down to 3 points. If we won that we would have 31 games to play and need to win 1 and draw 1 of the other games more than our rivals to make up and overtake the difference. Leeds in 8th place are only 3 points better of than us, do they need to write of their promotion chances aswell? At least we are 6 points of the relegation places so by the same confused logic we are safe and dont have to worry about relegation this season! Hurrah our first hurdle has been passed I have read some sensationalist crap on these boards before but to say that a spectacular transformation is required to transform our season has to be up at the biggest load of manure end of the spectrum!
I do agree with this to a large extent, but then surely (as Hampy has said) then conditions for him to be included seem to be ideal (if not perfect) I don't want to write off any of our players as useless but the fact that Nouble has brought about little affect in his weekly cameos must mean Marriott has to be considered (why not have 2 strikers on the bench??) As has been alluded too already, some players flourish in different settings. We won't know if he can handle it until he has the opportunity
Well tractor bhoy here's the thing, unless our form changes very soon we will be 10-12 points adrift. When we get to that point, if we then get promoted then you have been proven right and I was talking out of my arsehole. otherwise I was right. Which of those sounds more like sensationalist manure? The point you are missing is we don't have to pick up another six points between now and the end of the season, we have to get more points than EVERYONE between us and sixth AND get up to six more points on top without ANYONE below us going on a surging run. That is a bloody tall order. Unless our form changes now - immediately - then that gap will only widen. Given that that's roughly how many away points we've managed in the whole of the season so far it seems extraordinarily unlikely.
What does it matter? What difference does that make to anything at all? When a new manager comes in for his first game do you think he says 'I've never seen some of these play, so I'd better not play any of them' or does he pick a team and learn about them on the pitch? That is basically the depth of the logic going on here
Sounds Alot like giving up to me, if our form so far is relegation form how come we are not in a relegation place??? All we need to do is match the form we had last season from when Might Mick took over and we will make the Play offs with better players than last year, i doubt we will win the title but play-offs are never out of sight for any team this early in a season.
Sounds Alot like giving up to me, if our form so far is relegation form how come we are not in a relegation place??? All we need to do is match the form we had last season from when Might Mick took over and we will make the Play offs with better players than last year, i doubt we will win the title but play-offs are never out of sight for any team this early in a season.
Obviously the bigger the gap becomes the harder it will be and if we do get to a double digit gap it ill be difficult to claw back, although having said that people were wetting themselves about our late play off push last season with a lot bigger points gap and a lot less games to play! I called it sensationalist as we are only 6 points atm and you are writing off our chances. On the point I am missing, if you had read my post properly I have said win 1 and draw 1 more than our rivals not just win 1 and draw 1. As you have said anyone can go on a surging run so why cant it be us? To be fair it wouldn't be surging in the true sense of the phrase but a 3 or 4 game winning streak can do wonders in this league I have always believed a top half finish would be a good result this season so Im not advocating our play off push one way or the other but I don't think you can rule it out with so much of the season still to play for. Spanish - Id hardly call it been put in my place. Its known as a discussion and its nice to see some can do it!
tractor bhoy if we won all of the next four consecutive games we would possibly close the gap but would certainly still not be in a play off place at the end of it. We are showing no sign of going on a run anyway, I don't know why that's so hard to get your head around? If people were excited last season it's because our form was a lot better, we had momentum. Weighty. Our points average is less than would be required to finish on 54 points (last years' relegation threshold). We are not in a relegation place because other teams have averaged worse so far this season. This is really primary school level maths it's no wonder it's hard to have a good debate sometimes...
Hamps you are frankly currently talking out of your arse and I don't often say that. I appreciate people have opposite oppinions but really can't see how you can completely write us off getting into the playoffs. I personally think it's unlikely but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Look at how different the table was this time last year: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table/2012-11-06 to how it finished http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table Anyone can beat anyone in this league and teams seem to go on good runs followed by sometimes awful runs, under Mick we seem to just plod along I think with the odd good result we could creep in there. I've said Micks not exactly my cup of tea but I think you are letting your dislike of him cloud your logic!!
Hampy if we did win our next four games there is a chance we would be around fifth or sixth place...teams in this division are so close you are hard pressed to pick results from week to week. Also our goal difference is within touch of teams right up to third especially when you factor in our 4 consecutive wins. I would be surprised if any of the 8 teams immediately above us won more than 2 from their next four, therefore your pessimistic outlook is clouding your argument...IMHO...
