I think we all watched the phase of play and the 'intent' was to win the ball back, which is the whole point. Brady knew he had no chance of getting the ball so his intent was to bring Johnson down and prevent an attack. Elmohamady was going nowhere, in fact he travelled further when he hit the ground and started rolling around.
Ah I see - so if you don;t make contact with a player but intend to hurt them it's not dirty? christ you live on your own little planet don't you!! Cattermole's wasn't dirty - his KNEE hit Elmohammady's leg - not studs but his KNEE - he was along the ground and going to win the ball - he was definitely moving towards the ball not intentionaly for Elmohammady. Brady went for the man which makes it a much worse challenge as his intent was only to play the man and he was far more out of control and dangerous than Cattermole. He was less in control than Dossena (but not as dangerous). Remind me how badly hurt Elmohammady was?? Oh - not at all?? He play acted to get Cattermole sent off. If Elmohammady had jumped up and said "No bother I'm not hurt" it makes a big difference in those situations. Would've been interesting to see the second halff 11v11 as (I reckon) had Cattermole not been sent off then Dossena probably wouldn't have either
Elmohamady was making a forward pass during a phase of counter attacking, just look at the two Hull players getting forward in that video. The momentum was with Hull and under normal circumstances a player would pull his shirt or knock him off the ball in order to stop the flow of the attack, making head on tackles under this circumstance is usually not the best option as it's easy for the player with the ball to knock it after anticipating the challenge; it's rarely seen executed successfully, he went in with speed and force and those two ingredients are a recipe for disaster if you mistime the tackle, which he did, like I said, not by much but he missed the ball. Reckless. I don't think it's a red card, I think your appeal might succeed but I don't write the rules either and it seems the people who do are out to get guys like Cattermole. If I split hairs over this I'll point out that Larsson and Colback attempt to defend Dossena's challenge after he stamps on the kids ankle, if they'd have had the benefit of instant replay would they have defended him? Gus Poyet didn't so I doubt they would have! The ref has no option but to send Cattermole off because of the force he went in with, unless he won the ball. I agree completely ref Brady and I think he will be banned.
What's this now? Has anyone defended Dossena or Larsson and Colback, I've no idea what you're trying to say. What does that have to do with Cattermole? You don't think it was a red card but the referee had no option? Cheers Terry.
I think the fact you have to make up things instead of reading what I put shows the weakness in your argument. I simply pointed out that Brady didn't 'sythe down' your player. Are you claiming he did? Elmo didn't play act, the BBC MOTD footage clearly shows Cattermoles boot going into Elmo's ankle. I actually think going down to 9 limited the number of goals we could have scored. Cattermole's red mist was due to us starving Sunderland of the ball for long periods of time. Once the two had gone, Sunderland parked the bus.
See Mug's going off on one again, is there anybody on this entire forum you haven't tried to dissect and ended up looking like a prat? I don't think it should have been a red card, but I do have the benefit of instant replay so in summary, I don't think he should have been sent off. Unfortunately Mug, ref's don't have this so they base their decisions on what they see at the time and due to the force that he went in with on the Hull player, he gave the referee no choice. It was reckless. It's fairly simple to be honest mate, I don't see how you struggled with that one. The bit in bold, pal... It emphasised MY point, nowt to do with what you've said. Your turn...
So why did he hold his knee / shin rather than grab his ankle? He seemed to make a miraculous recovery after he finished his rolling about
You seem to be offering a still image from a random point in the incident over the slow motion video footage from motd?
So, you're saying Cattermole's sending off was not correct, in your opinion? TBH Terry, the problem with you is that I struggle to plough through your hair-splitting posts and don't really pay attention. My mistake.
I wouldn't dream of having an opinion pal, I know they're not allowed on your forum. Where you been anyhow? You been for lunch with Albert, Prince of Monaco? I just had a Subway today. It does seem like you struggle a lot, maybe try this one it might be more suitable for you... http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/
You never really get to the point though Terry and you always leave room to worm your way out of what you say. Typically I've asked you for an opinion and you avoid the question, as usual. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about where I live, why is that? BTW, I've only ever met Prince Albert on one occasion, which is a very funny story, but I've never eaten with him. Why is it so hard to accept that people have a different life to your own?
That has to be absolutley one of the stupidest things I've every read!! Opening up more space for your side to exploit gave you less chance of scoring (You didn;t score when we had 11 men by the way - we scored for you!)?? I think you should thank your manager for that. You had 25 shots in the game - only 2 on target (after injuring our keeper - whether you think it or not - McShane, as a professional footballer, knew Westwood had the ball and knew for a fact that he was going in above waist height). Elmohammady held his knee - not the badly injured ankle you keep going on about so are you admitting play acting on his part then? No? Did the pain from the "boot hitting his ankle" travel up to the shin and knee then? Di El;mo have to be substituted due to his horrendous injury caused by Cattermoles red mist? No? Ah I see. Makes perfect sense then. It was a foul, it was, at most, a yellow card - I saw no red mist from anyone - even Dossena's wasn;t "red mist" it was just stupid trying to stand on the ball when there were players around. I wish we had so many good, honest players as Hull do and that none of our play acted as yours don't
Can't believe our own Cattermole haters hanging him out to dry just because they don't like him. The offence was yellow at the most, Cattermoles feet were ground level. Any contact with the pussy Elmo was minimal. And yes it was a rash challenge, but if he hadn't the haters would have said he didn't do his job. He just can't win with them. Brady's was like something out of a Kung Fu movie FFS! There was more INTENT there than anything Cattermole did. I have just said elsewhere I would have punched Dossena, it was a cowardly career ending tackle..
Ok, let's entertain you for a bit then. I think it's fair to say my opinion is laid out in my first post, but for your benefit... I believe Cattermole was probably hard done by in hindsight, it turns out that it wasn't as dangerous as it might have looked to begin with. I think that having seen the replays in slow motion, a red card is a harsh punishment. The referee didn't have these advantages though and had to make a decision on the spot, which may have been influenced by the Hull player rolling about like he'd been shot but was almost certainly influenced by the velocity at which Cattermole goes into this challenge and having failed to win the ball, in real time it looks like a no brainer. I don't have a chip on my shoulder about where you live, you brought it up in a weak attempt at one-upmanship in a previous debate we had, I'm just reminding you of how great you are. I'm happy for you to derail my opinion if you disagree with it mate, keep it up.
Before the sending off's we were both ****. After the sending's off, it showed just how much more **** your lot were, as they couldn't take advantage of 9 men. No matter how you try to spin it.
Terry, you couldn't entertain an idea ........ sorry but you're a boring bloke who's obviously scouring the internet searching for someone to talk to. Whatever you're saying, which I can't be arsed to read through all the endless hair-splitting, let's say 'I agree' then you can give yersel another gold star.
Almost double the amount of posts that I have written but don't let facts get in the way though. Problem is mate, I'm quite happy to be called boring on an internet forum, it means literally nothing being told so by you. You on the other hand, well you'll disagree with anybody, even if they share your opinion, in fact, I'm fairly certain that if somebody quoted your awesome self verbatim, you'd still turn around and rip into them. It evidently gets to you when I or another member of this forum question you in any way, although I never seek you out, it's always been you that's tried to dig me out hasn't it? It generally ends with you being slapped like some old slag on a Christmas special of Eastenders so I don't get what's in it for you, but I'll do it all day long Mug. What's your opinion on Reither's stamp by the way on Januzaj last weekend? (watch how to deal with somebody else's opinion when I respond).
Terry, this'll have to be the last response as it really is boring, no offence. You seem to cling to the idea that I get 'slapped around all over the place' but that's only in your mind. I don't want to 'dig you out', that's also just in your mind. I just find you tedious so don't really read through what you say. I've no idea why you come on here tbh. I have loads of debates/arguments/discussions with people I get on with, and people I don't, but I just don't have the patience with you because of the way you drone on in your hair-splitting way. What you have to realise is that people like you screaming 'you've been slapped around' doesn't actually mean it's true. If I'm out of order I'll apologise as I did a couple of times last week. Finally, me talking about my life, as everyone does, isn't intended as 'one upmanship' ...... how can it be, you're a meaningless stranger, I have zero interest in, who may be Richard Branson.
