OT - Über's Open Debate Thread

I looked into this and apparently the guy that was shot with the President was in a specially designed lowered seat so that the President could be seen. This allowed the bullet to travel from one to the other in the way it did. If he'd been sat in a normal front seat it wouldn't have been possible.

 

Like Zulu, Braveheart etc these are Films. Never to be taken literally. They're primarily for entertainment purposes with a little history thrown in for effect.

 

You know that. I know that. But you're forgetting that 'Merkans watch these things.

 

Careful. Stan will be on soon to defend our colonial cousins from your slander.

 

I know we've probably done the subject to death, but I believe cinematic licence (and general audience ignorance and apathy) is a real issue.

They say that in a war the first victim is the truth. They also say that it is the victor that writes history, not the vanquished. I think we have to add filmmakers to this.

I suppose, though, that none of this is particularly new. I can imagine how legends begin like Robin Hood.... or perhaps Jesus Christ.

When the facts may be unavailable, inaccessible or not easily assembled, perhaps it has always been those that tell the story with the greater confidence and most vociferously that are heard?

 

%0 years ago it was easy to get away wit **** for them ... they had a internet network. .. we didn't

The outcomes remain the same however time goes on and people forget or aren't bothered as they have new toys to play with and their own life dramas. Going forward it will be nice to see a European government fall but the dark powers control the media and discussions, and debate are encouraged ... as we are all puppeteered discussing the media they have fed us in the first place.

Anyone who sees anything is brought off, disappeared or ruined nowadays ... there will be causalities from time to time like the two in court for hacking at the moment ... does anyone on here believe that they were the only ones at it? They are fall guys and the world hates them while others get away scott free.

 

Changing the tone slightly. Oh my

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...otted-shopping-Asda-pushing-baby-trolley.html

 

A completely ignorant twat, but banning won't stop idiots thinking they are Nazis - probably the reverse. I don't like the idea of banning anyone sharing their views, no matter how moronic, though preventing people who's only intention is to offend may be more justified. It's much more effective to humiliate them through argument.

I was just about to post that I have just given my wildly excessive donation for a paper poppy this year - I can't stop myself. I think we have discussed this on here before. For me it is about remembering the personal bravery and sacrifice of individuals, nothing to do with supporting, glorifying or justifying war, current or historical. I have a particular soft spot for conscripts. I'm working in Belgium part of next week, be interesting to see if the symbolism resonates there, though the respect shown by the people of Ypres, whose Fire Brigade provides a bugler to play the last post at the Menin Gate every evening, shows that even if they don't use poppies, the Belgians still remember.

Looking forward to finding out that the CIA were responsible for the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

 

From what I've read it is obvious that the man is an insensitive and arrogant prat. I guess it is all too easy to 'romanticise' about stuff like this when you yourself are ignorant and you have no direct association to the pain and suffering caused by the Nazis.

If he likes to walk around in public wearing something that will evoke a reaction, it is a great pity that we can't get him to experience how it would have felt to walk the streets of Nazi Germany wearing a suit with a yellow star.

 

Great post.

 

Interesting to read the comments below the article, many of which express the view that the man should be entitled to wear what he wants.

How about this one: "70 years ago in Germany you would be thrown out of a shop if you wore a yellow star, now in the UK you can be thrown out of a shop for wearing a swastika, good to see fascism is alive and well."

 

Robin Hood...certainly. There is however quite a bit of evidence that Jesus Christ was a real person.

 

I remember having Action Man as a child (as will, I suspect, many others on here). This was back in the day when the outfits that could be acquired for them were predominantly historical military uniforms. Being a kid that was enormously 'into' World War II I naturally had both British and German uniforms for them and would act out war games accordingly.

On one occasion I went with my family to our cousins for the day in Harrow. An old family friend was also there, a friendly but quiet man, largely preoccupied with playing and teaching classical music for much of his life. Anyway, I took along my Action Man, 'resplendent' in his German infantry uniform and plastic Luger, stood the doll on the coffee table and innocently set him up with the Luger pointing at this chap.

Well, I've never seen such a kind, quiet, educated and gentle man freak out and get so upset. He was of that generation that did its service and returned quietly to civvy life, doing their damnedest to forget what they had seen and what they had been asked to do. That moment had a profound effect on me, a child of 8 or 9 years. I had seen the line of proud grey men and their medals on Remembrance Day and Battle of Britain Sunday. But I had never until then seen the fear and pain in the eyes of somebody that had seen war and was still fighting it inside his mind, probably right until the day that he passed.

And then you have idiots like this guy in Cambridge who believes he has a right to wear the uniform of an SS officer as he does his shopping in Asda....

 

I know the bloke must have been severely affected by those terrible times but was that anyway to act toward an innocent 9 year old child and his action doll?

I don't know Ubes. Its a difficult one. If we start banning morons from being morons, aren't we in some way becoming like those who repressed freedom of expression in the Third Reich?

 

Another great post!

 

I never said that Jesus wasn't a real person, Col. I believe that he existed. The point that I was clumsily making was that legends can evolve as people exaggerate or just plain invent for the benefit of good story telling.

As I understand it, Robin Hood is most likely the amalgam of several real people that existed over a fairly lengthy time span, plus a great deal of additional licence added for good measure as the stories were passed down from generation to generation.

[Legend: a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.]

 

I always assumed that legend signified made up. Perhaps not then.

 

I am prepared to cut him some slack on the basis that the memories and emotions my actions evoked must have been of a nature so unpleasant that the likes of me could never understand (and for that I'm grateful).

I said that he got upset and freaked out, but what he didn't do is shout or act aggressively towards me. He was a little tearful and almost afraid to look at the figure. I was asked to put it away and quickly obliged, after which he had a little time to calm down and soon resumed being the man we all recognised. It was never mentioned again.

 

Fair enough Herr Uber.

Here's another one. Is it just me or does the poppy thing come around more than once a year? I could swear I see people on TV donning them more often than that.

 

Not particularly funny, Travis, given the subject matter. For the uninitiated, this was the inspiration for my crap 'Lewinsky' on this board...

https://sites.google.com/site/uberhooper/

And, yes, it is just you. You do see, however, some cars with the big poppies on all year simply because the driver can't be arsed to take them off. In the same vein, there are people around my neighbourhood that keep their Christmas lights nailed to the outside of their houses all year because they are too lazy to take them down.