Spot on. Since. Mourinho and Wenger have both been in management at the same time (2000) the former has only had the bigger budget from 2004-2007 (Chelsea) and 2010-2013 (Madrid). There's no way Mourinho had a bigger budget than Wenger when at Lieiria/Benfica/Porto or Inter. Mourinho winning the treble with Inter was a borderline remarkable achievement given how weak Italian football has been in the last 6-7 years. Mourinho convincingly beat a Chelsea team that went on to win the double and was beating teams by sixes and sevens in their own league. He also beat Barca at their peak. Wenger and Mourinho are both visionaries but Mourinho's tactical versatility is perhaps why he's had the edge over Wenger. I think Wenger has progressed as a manager and learnt to adapt as evidenced by the change in approach in terms of Arsenal's playing style and also the signing of Ozil. For me Mourinho and Wenger are the best two managers left in the PL now with Pellegrini, Pochettino and Martinez distantly behind them.
I think they are both great managers. The reason why I would pick Wenger as the stronger of the two is because of what he did with his success, compared to Mourinho. Wenger used the Invincible years and the money they brought to the club to build Arsenal into what it is today, whereas Mourinho very much saw his success as his own, and used it simply to further his own career. If you assume that both of the two were handed their initial success by inheriting strong teams that they made the most of with their talents, it always seemed to me that Wenger was more of a builder and that Mourinho was in it for the glory, mostly his own. Personally, I don't think most Arsenal fans truly appreciate what Wenger has done for Arsenal. The younger crowd owe the expectations that they chastise him for not fulfilling, almost entirely to him. There is no doubt in my mind that if we had had a different manager, during that purple patch we had, especially Mourinho, we would not have a new stadium, and we would not have the status that we enjoy today. I think you can argue the toss on which is better on a pure footballing level, as a coach, but for me, in terms of "management" Wenger is superior.
Yes, because the Portuguese league is really comparable with the EPL right? You do know AVB was very successful too with Porto, yet he couldn't manage Spurs into the top 4. And since Mo took charge at Chelsea, he's HAD A MASSIVE BUDGET, did you just conveniently forget that point, that he had a BILLIONAIRE banking him to sign whoever he felt like, while Arsenal were about to move to a new stadium and the budget was very tight. Sorry Chelski fans, you can talk about all the success Mo has had and the failures Wenger's had over the past few seasons, but most of your success has come down to 1 thing: Money, and lot's of it. So I think it's hilarious when Chelsea fans just want to ignore that big elephant in the room and pretend that the success was mainly down to spectacular managing and work, yes good managing was involved, but when you have lot's and lot's and lot's of money to spend and buy whoever you want, in comparison to the other teams, you're most likely going to end on top. A real proper view on Mo would've been him in charge of Chelsea BEFORE Abrahomiv took charge. There's a very simple fact to look at here which Chelski fans don't want to, compare Chelsea before and after they had a billionaire bankrolling them, and you start to see the major difference, and that's not a coincidence, so let's stop this debate because there is no debate, Chelski success with Mo= down to money, nothing else. I guarantee that if Mo didn't have the money to spend, he would never ever take Chelsea to where he did. As for Wenger's teams being 'ponies', right because going 49 games unbeaten, was a team of ponies right? Winning the double twice, was a team of ponies right? Even with all the money in the world, Mo will never emulate the invincibles, going unbeaten, and winning the league in style, without having to have a billionaire bankrolling you. At least Wenger never compromised on football and turned to anti-football like Mo did, Mo HIMSELF admitted that the tactics he used against Barca with Inter were not how he would like to see football being played, the man himself said that! And as Toledo said, you look at what Wenger has done for Arsenal as a club, with the stadium move, and establishing us where we are, Mo has never done ANYTHING like that with a club, he's just come in, had a lot of money, got some success, and that's really it, no long term lasting impact that will stay forever, but with Wenger he did that, just like SAF did with United.
If Jose had managed Chelsea preRoman he would have won the league then too. He won Champions League with Porto on a fraction of Wenger's Arsenal budget. Wenger has had umpteen goes at CL with varying budgets: all much bigger than Jose's at Porto and with a wage bill bigger than Jose's at Inter/ Ozil who has played under both coaches, says Jose is better. Do you really think Jose would have won zero trophies with Wenger's budget 2004-13??
1- If you're so smart in knowing what would/will happen, how about you go become a great stockbroker then, and why aren't you a great world famous betting champion? Saying Mo would win pre-Abrahomiv era is just talking out of your ass. 2-Would Mo have gone trophyless as long as Wenger has on the same budget? Well that's not the only argument, it's not only about Wenger's budget, but Wenger's budget IN COMPARISON TO OTHER BIGGER BUDGETS, Wenger has had to deal with significantly smaller budgets VS your Chelsea's and United's for most of those 10 years. 3-Wow you really are a ****** with the Ozil point. Ozil has only played for Wenger for 2 months, compared to playing under Mo for what, 2-3 seasons? And you count that as playing under both? LOL ok thick head, go eat a dick while you're at it. And Ozil admires Mo, i'm sure he didn't mean to say Mo is better than Wenger, but you're a ****ing Chelsea fan, most of you are thick ****s anyway so I'd expect such logic from you. 4-When Mo joined Inter, they were ALREADY the most dominant team in Italy winning the league 3 seasons on the bounce, so Mo had all the opportunity to just concentrate on Europe, Wenger doesn't have the luxury of playing in an easy league like the Italian league was back in Mo's time, and put a lot into Europe. And even when Mo won in Europe with Inter, the tactics he deployed were so anti-football that even he admitted he wouldn't want football to be played the 5-Mo get's some credit for winning in Europe with Porto, but that was a fairly weak competition, not to mention the fact that his players had to cheat none stop against United.
In my view, it's simple, Wenger overall is better for me, and I have much more respect for him than Mo. If you Chelsea fans disagree, good, then **** off, eat a dick, and sit on a stick.
Yes, I get very pissed at Wenger, but I never discount his legacy or impact he brought to the club. And OVERALL even when I'm pissed at Wenger, still think at the end of the day, when both men retire and all, Wenger is the better one that brought more to the game than Mo, and that Wenger has certainly brought more to Arsenal as a CLUB than Mo ever will at Chelsea. Mo is just a puppet at Chelsea doing some work, at Arsenal, Wenger IS the man who has transformed the club. Mo will never do that at any club.
Are you guys seriously thick? How does being pissed at Wenger mean I think overall he is worse than Mo? Wenger has more than made up for my anger as well, by doing what most of us wanted him to do, which was SPEND some money, and he did, that's why I was pissed, because we had money to spend, and we sat so long on it. And you ****ers do know there is something called THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, and it was a very very negative vibe from most Arsenal fans after our loss to Villa on the opening day. As I said, some of you guys are seriously thick.
And yes, over the past 8 years we have had to put up with a lot of rubbish, God, I never said Wenger or Arsenal are perfect, Wenger has done a lot of wacky stuff, like playing Bendtner, Gervino, Santos which for me isn't linked to the budget, instead of gervino and santos, we could've just gotten Mata, or someone better than those 2. But that doesn't change the fact that OVERALL I think Wenger's better than Mo. I still think Mo is a very good coach and could even do good for Arsenal, but he will never have the same impact OVERALL as Wenger in my opinion, is that so hard for you dumb ass Chelski fans to understand?
Btw Purley if you bothered to read the context of the post you quoted me on, what did I mean when I said "WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT". What did I want? I wanted us to spend the money we finally had, and Wenger did that by signing Ozil, I still think we could have done more business by getting a striker, and hopefully that will be sorted by January, so Wenger is doing what I and many other angry fans were calling for. So instead of trying to score points with your other Chelski bum chums, maybe you should check what I mean.
What is wenger better than mourinho at? Developing players? Maybe so, but that's only one aspect of management. He's loyal? Well done! Loyalty doesn't make you a better manager, just ask david moyes.
The bulk of Arsenal's problems with Wenger has been our budget, but I don't think all of it is down to the budget. In some cases Wenger made bad footballing decisions to sign some really average rubbish players that did cause a regression, especially from 2012. Instead of spending 8 million on Gervino, I'm sure we could've spent 8 million on another much better player, or instead of buying Gervino and Santos for a combined price of 14 million, we could've used that money to buy a top quality player for 15 million, someone like Mata. Other problems was in keeping our best players, some of them were sold for financial reasons, but some of them we just failed to keep them, like Nasri and RVP, and that pissed me off a lot, because we can't keep losing our best players, and especially not replacing them or replacing them with an average replacement like Gervino. Even in 2004 when we went unbeaten, our budget wasn't huge, but what made the difference? We kept our best players, Pires and Veira were signed to new contracts, now imagine both of them left that season? We would never have won the league or go unbeaten, so losing your big and best players does have a big big impact on the team, even if your budget is thin, if you can keep your best players, you still stand a chance of success, as our unbeaten season proved. So not all problems have been down to the budget, but i certainly think with a bigger budget we would have had some success by now, and if the budget of the other clubs weren't so big, like Chelsea, I also think we would've found success irrespective of the **** we signed, but when you have resources as big as Chelsea-United, then you will never get anywhere by signing players like Gervino and Santos, you make it all the harder to have any chance of catching the other 2 teams or getting success. So hopefully that clears it up for you now instead of quoting one of my posts and deattaching it from the entire contexts.
Lol, do you like building straw mans and knocking them down? When did I ever mention loyalty? It's not just developing players and BUILDING A TEAM based on those developed players, but also with the whole stadium move and transforming the club in his image, just look at where Arsene took Arsenal from when he started, if you don't think that's an amazing thing, then you're just biased. The main thing for me, is Wenger brought great success to this club, on a budget much thinner than Mo's, Wenger stood toe to toe for United for many years winning the league and cups, with a budget nowhere near what Mo gets, and with a budget that was still smaller than United's, yet he still brought amazing success. I think Mo is better in Wenger in some areas, such as being a better motivator and at personal man-managing. I think Mo also tactically at times gets it better than Wenger, some games Arsenal go into a big game and it's like there's no game plan other than 'play our football', and that we haven't really studied the opposition to stifle them, I think Mo gets that better than Wenger.
Wow those eight consecutive rants to yourself in a row are a 606 record Someone has really hit a nerve
Wow!!! Really interesting debate so surprised that the Arsenal fans support Wenger and Chelsea fans Mo --- WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!! They are both World Class managers end off. They just have different methods, simples no?
One has kept a team at a sustained high level for many years, the other has jumped from good team to good team, enjoying a year or two of success with each before jumping ship so he would not have to make changes to keep up the success.
