Match Day Thread Newcastle United v Manchester City (Cap 1 Cup) - Official Build Up / Match Day Thread

First time in a while that I'm not looking forward to the game. I'm not even looking forward to the Chelsea game.

I genuinely fear that after this game and the Chelsea & Spurs games that our season will be in tatters.

 

Not the only one, got to admit I was looking at before the Liverpool game and thinking if we lose to Sunderland we could lose all 4, then it would be just a repeat of what happened last season. Even know if we lose these three games, we are out of the cup and will have a point a game, exactly where we were after we lost 2-1 at Stoke last November.

 

Ashley has finally sucked the life out of me.

Where's the fun in supporting a team who's soul aim is to stay in the league? I don't even want Pardew out anymore and not because I think he's good at his job (he's ****) but because we won't be inventive with our replacement, they'd have to be out of work so we'd be looking at people like Curbishley. And any new manager will have the same resources to work with, i.e very little spending power.

For an outlay of 20m (not much in this day and age given the 60m windfall from sky) we could have got Caulker and Bony and we'd probably have another 6 points on the board and could be targetting the top 6-8. So depressed when it comes to Newcastle at the moment.

Still just because I'm not looking forward to it doesn't mean it won't hurt if we lose.

 

I share those sentiments mate.
I expect nothing from the next two games at all except demoralising hammerings and bullshit and spin from Pards and the club.

 

It probably sounds bad saying "where's the fun in a supporting a team who's soul aim is to stay up". What I meant is that I no longer have that blind hope/faith that's part of being a Newcastle fan.

Under Ashley there will never be an Asprilla arriving in the middle of winter or a Woodgate to help with that final push for Europe etc. Deadline day is a killer for us as we all know we don't do any incoming business on the last day but at the same time we know every single one of our players has a price on their head.

To be told the cups aren't part of the clubs thought process is the final nail in the coffin. We're never going to challenge for the league so Ashley is openly admitting he doesn't want to bring a trophy to us.

 

I didn't think he was that way inclined but I'll take your word for it.

To be fair, that's what you lot did to him when he bought the club and wore the replica shirt ..........

 

Good post think it sums up a lot of fans.

 

Oh to have those two guys now, they're exactly what we need at the moment.

 

Ask yourselves this - when the whistle blows at the start of a Toon match, how many thoughts stray to Ashley?

Personally, not fcking one. To say you can't enjoy watching Yohan Cabaye or Hatem Ben Arfa because some halfwitted, despotic fckbrain owns the club is brainless. Sorry, but there are a thousand clubs worse off than Newcastle.

Ashley's a clueless c0ck and I'd love him gone, but he's angry because he doesn't feel he's done a lot wrong. He employed JK because he trusts him, he's balanced the books, he is the sole debt of the club. He sanctioned the spend last Jan on 5 players and decided against over-bidding for Gomis or Douglas, for whatever reasons. Just like how I, for example, wouldn't sanction a bid for Jordan Rhodes whereas Hacky would. I'd be more than entitled to that, but it's just my opinions reside solely on a message board whereas the NUFC owners' result in actual things happening. Of course we don't like it, we don't agree with it all, but to get to this level of despondency is ludicrous.

We shouldn't get sucked into the press ire either - these are the same t!ts who laugh at Geordie's, who deride us as clueless, who present Cabaye as for sale, and so on - yet now we're all mates, 'cos it suits them.

If I had £250m, I'd think twice about buying this fickle shower.

 

Name them.

 

Every club in Spain below Real. Every club in England below us. Every club in France below Monaco. Every club in Russia below Anzhi. Every Dutch club below Ajax. Every club in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, USA, Asia, Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia and Africa. Should just about cover it.

 

Thinking about Ashley during a game has nothing to do with it, you've either completely misunderstood my post or just decided to ignore it. I didn't say I don't enjoy watching the games, I said I don't look forward to them with the same anticipation and excitement. It's not like I'm sat there watching us thinking "I don't give a **** how we play".

My point is my whole mood would change depending on our result. Now it doesn't.

It doesn't because if we win I know it's not going to change the lack of ambition we have. It's just another win closer to survival.

And if we lose it doesn't hurt as much as it used to because that's where we are now. A club who's aim is to stay in the league and do no more than that.

Without hope the emotion isn't as raw as it should be. Defeates are expected and victories take us closer to an aim that should be achieved after about 25-28 games for a club likes ours.

 

But your mood DOES change - you posted a hundred times in the build up to the Sunderland game and your mood spiralled downwards after. Opposite for Liverpool, you posted and posted then said how proud you were. Some of these comments look so insular and so blinkered it's hard to understand.

And you need to look at the economics of football - Roman Abramovic is more to blame for your apathy than Mike Ashley, mate.

 

Name another Premier League club that didn't make a single permanent signing other than us?

Name another Premier League club that brought in a DoF that simply isn't qualified for the role?

Name another Premier League club who's Chairman/Owner simply doesn't communicate with it's fans?

Name another Premier League club who doesn't charge for advertising in it's own ground?

Name another Premier League club that has openly admitted they don't want to target success in the cups?

Your list of clubs is a a bull **** list because all we are asking for is a level of ambition in line with the size of our club. We're in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. We're not asking for 100s or milions to be spent. Just the same as amount as a Swansea, a Norwich, a Cardiff etc.

We're asking for a bit of open communication so we know the reasoning behind the decisions that get made.

 

My mood changes for about an hour, it used to change until the next game. It used to be if we'd lost I need to wait 7 days for us to avenge said defeat in order to get back to being in my best possible mood. Now the frustation will be forgotten about by the end of the same day.

 

Name another Premier League club that didn't make a single permanent signing other than us?

In the Summer? Or in 2013? Again, I don't agree with the club's stance, and can't work out where I said I did?

Name another Premier League club that brought in a DoF that simply isn't qualified for the role?

Sunderland.

Name another Premier League club who's Chairman/Owner simply doesn't communicate with it's fans?

Aston Villa.

Name another Premier League club who doesn't charge for advertising in it's own ground?

Newcastle charge for some advertising, just not that of SportsDirect.

Name another Premier League club that has openly admitted they don't want to target success in the cups?

Crystal Palace.

Your list of clubs is a a bull **** list because all we are asking for is a level of ambition in line with the size of our club. We're in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. We're not asking for 100s or milions to be spent. Just the same as amount as a Swansea, a Norwich, a Cardiff etc.

So what's your ambition? Last time I checked the club aims to finish in the top 10 of the EPL. Is that too low for you? Has the manager not JUST said he wants to win the Carling Cup? But CAN we, given the team we have to play tonight from one of the Bottomless Pit Collective?

We're asking for a bit of open communication so we know the reasoning behind the decisions that get made.

And I am not defending Ashley's actions, just pleading for a slice of realism. I'm unhappy, but not fckign suicidal about it all!!

 

Like I said, Roman Abramovic, Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini, the Abu Dhabi Group, Emirates, Sky are all much bigger contributing factors in your malaise, you're just taking it all out on one guy.

It makes no sense, no-one on this board is dumb enough not to understand the corporate impact on football today. Ashley's a factor, but there's so many more to blame. I fell out with watching general football over a decade ago, limiting it to the odd cup match, the odd European match. That dwindled to finals only. Then I couldn't even be bothered with that and all I watch are NUFC matches. Eventually that will probably stop, but it's gonna have fck all to do with Mike Ashley.

Who knows - maybe when the bottomless pit clubs fck off into the ether football will regain some sense of perspective. Let's hope so, eh?

 

Our aim my well be top 10, but we've spend zilch, not a penny meaning our aim is rendered pointless as we've not done enough to enable us to achieve it.

Ah Pardew said we're targeting the cups. He certainly did but Ashley has said we aren't which means we are 100% not targetting them.

Our lacking of spending in the summer can't even be defended by our January spending as that was spending that should have happened in the summer of 2012 so we're still one window behind when it comes to transfers.

My aim for our club is to make atleast a couple of permanent signings every summer. It's the best time to sign players, they get a full pre season making it easier to settle. My aim is that we don't spend the least amount of money in the league. My aim is that each management section of the club has the same goals (to target the two trophies we actually have a chance in).

 

You have a quote from Mike Ashley saying we're 100% not targeting them? One, you don't have that quote cos the fat fcker doesn't have a tongue. Two, the comment was actually saying that finishing 10th took precedence over winning a cup and was relayed, in part, by Pardew. That did not mean we didn't want to win one, it meant there was more for the balance sheet by finishing higher in the league than by trying to win a cup. Besides which it means no sense - from 1st to 20th, every club approaches every game aiming to win it. By default, even Tyneside FC "aim" to win the FA Cup, even though they probably won't.

The thing I am getting at is if we'd bought one more striker and one centre back, we'd have been happy. It's unrealistic to have such a fine line between happiness and rioting. There are many factors at work in the devolution of football as we know it, Ashley's just one of them. He ain't a fan, he doesn't have CL ambitions for the club, but that's pretty much it. Besides which it's all a bit disheartening. Man City, a club whose main aim was staying in the Championship goal in the mid 2000's (which they failed to do) now have pockets of fans moaning about not winning a title, or currently not being top. The same bunch who got Mancini pushed out. It was like when Chelsea won the Champions League. I swear within 3 minutes of the final whistle one "expert" said some cliché like "it's harder to retain it than win it, see how they do next year" or some fckin horsesh!t. FIFA and UEFA have lost the plot, selling the soul of the game to Murdoch.

Taking it all out on Ashley is like fire-bombing Mr. Singhs corner shop because you disagree with immigration.

 

Copped out there, that isn't exactly naming them!