That's a bad stutter you've got there If you've read my other posts you would know that I don't advocate a sanitised stadium. A part of my point is that some of those you say are attracted to the football are not, they simply swell the numbers for their own agenda.
We have a H&S problem in this country. The cause is greed. Compensation culture has destroyed any hope that flares or smoke bombs etc will be allowed in stadiums. Past actions have imposed the restrictions that we have in the KC. I find not being able to drink a pint but can drink a fizzy drink, stupid. Plastic bottles are opened so that you cannot throw them, but vacuum flasks are allowed. Soon you will be thrown out if you swear in the South Stand. There is no going back. If you want flares or smoke bombs, work with the club to get them in, but under control, it's the only way you will ever get near having them accepted.
I don't understand these people. Why pay all it costs to go to football matches nowadays to stand watching the enemy fans all game and shout abuse? And not even give the match any notice at all... It's the Millwall and Leeds types ofbthosebfans that will make small explosive fireworks disguised as smoke bombs packed with BB's or nails and just set them off instead of throwing chairs. Or just bring the odd military distress signal along to shoot into the home crowd. On another note, it's now possible to print a working plastic gun at home, I hope people start bringing them to city, they really will create a hostile atmosphere.
Haha, no. Even the police have got better things to do. Might have to borrow your username though if I did get told to change it.
It would seem there is a small amount of support for the allowing of flares in a controlled manner. The vast majority of fans however are still against. I cannot see these things being allowed into football grounds any time soon. These smoke bombs and flares are not in any way needed for the creation of atmosphere so it is time to accept this and find a way to create an atmosphere at the circle without them.
I was asked tp provide facts to back up my argument regarding flares/smoke bombs at stadiums and health risks Soo ingredients and the harm they can cause! Potassium nitrate can pose a number of health risks. When inhaled, it may cause respiratory problems, including coughing and shortness of breath. Skin or eye contact may result in irritation such as redness, itching and pain. Breathing Potassium Chlorate can irritate the nose, throat and lungs causing sneezing, coughing and sore throat.High levels can interfere with the ability of the blood to carry oxygen causing headache, weakness, dizziness. Breathing Potassium Perchlorate can irritate the nose and throat.High and repeated exposure may affect the thyroid, white blood cells and kidneys. One of the above three is a key ingredient to a flare/smoke bomb Incidents:The 15-year-old lad had travelled to Wigan’s DW Stadium to watch Villa’s final game of the season on Sunday 19 May during which a number of flares and smoke bombs were set off among the away fans. At one point a smoke bomb was even thrown onto the pitch & resulting in a short delay to the match. The youngster affected was close to where one was set alight and immediately struggled to breathe and felt burning to his eyes. The following day he continued to feel ill at school and was taken to hospital. Chest x-rays revealed he was suffering the effect of smoke inhalation and had suffered damage to his lungs. Doctors were also concerned that he could have been affected by toxins in the flares. He was released from hospital later the same day. Two other Villa fans, women aged 22 and 24, also received treatment having breathed in smoke at the ground. I am sure there are other cases of having respiratory problems with smoke/bombs and flares and just dont see them as a good idea with people so close togther at fooball matches.
The 15 year old at Wigan has already been mentioned earlier in the thread, it's the only example of any sort of flare related injury anyone can find in English football.
And your point is? A Chest x-rays revealed he was suffering the effect of smoke inhalation and had suffered damage to his lungs! So obvious there is a concern? You wanted facts i have given them to you and others members of this board do as you wish with them, then discard it because its not in suit with your "unban" And so if i found other FACTS regarding flares/bombs and people suffering then what? You have no intrest as it dont suit your agenda.
My point is, that despite people worrying about the dangers of flares in grounds, the only example of any injury at all, is one kid from Wigan. I'm sure there's numerous people that have suffered from similar injuries from attending a gig or a night club with a smoke machine and there's dozens of people suffering from these sort of things every bonfire night, should we ban them all?
And if that one kid was your kid! Now your moving off subject abit, You wanted facts and i give you the main ingredients of these that can be a hazard, and you bombfire is a silly argument and at no point did i say ban them? just find too many flaws in a football fan let lose with these.
Tho they are currently banned in football stadiums (during football matches) if there was ever a great wish or need for smoke "bombs" / flares , maybe they could be regulated by each club . They can only be purchased at the ground , and only certain approved people can use them in an already clearly defined area . (this would hopefully stop people throwing them and ensure they are used correctly and in areas people now wanting to be near them can avoid) If a fan is found bringing one into the stadium bans/fines apply as they do now - maybe thats the best course of action Unfortunately we live in such a nanny state these days
If we want a decent atmosphere in English grounds we need safe standing , compare the atmosphere created by people sitting down and that created by those standing ( at the moment standing in seated areas )
Is it just me or are the two debates related, opposition to name change and acceptance of smoke bombs? Name change = keep our traditions Smoke bombs = introduce new ways of showing support Surely logic dictates that the change to Hull Tigers would be embraced by those who want to have a more dynamic experience at matches? Just playing devils advocate!
Are you keeping your kids in until bonfire is night is over? Banning them from pop concerts and discos? Surprised nobody was frightened by 1,000 people walking through a built-up area with torches billowing smoke and risking destroying Hull city centre. Or the clouds of smoke wafting about around the acts at Princes Quay.
get more than two people congregate to a single place and neither the government , police and council cant trust them to behave or hurt each other
Ha ha haa, No i will be taking my son to Heaton park were it will be controlled and have a lot more safey then a tit with a flare! and i also have the choice to take my son to see a display. Something you dont have when a idiot lets a flare/smoke bomb off at a football match. And my son wont be inhaling a smoke bomb from less then half a yard. What a stupid thing to say
Where I live the other yeqr there was a massive safety campaign regarding firework safety. As it turned out there was only one person injured. No prizes for guessing whose son it was. These smoke bombs, how come no one has breathing problems stood next to not one but dozens of smoke bombs at European grounds. Will you be taking a mask and oxygen in case the wind blows the smoke from the bonfire in your direction?
