Parpoo: undeserved loss...all Sunderland offered was passion

Don't tell me you're starting to feel over the hill at 21.

 

You could cut and paste from any manager, anywhere, ever. He has to tow the line between the politics of keeping his employers happy, being empathetic with the players, not doing his washing in public and trying to balance negatives with positives. But I can't force you to like it - hell, I don't, but I choose not to pay it any mind because it's not real. It's what he says with a mic in his face. If he could invite you into his life for just one week, I guarantee you'd never complain about the man again. We all feel we can 'manage' because of over-exposure, but it's no different to politics or big business.

Oh, and the sooner we get over the fact it's our "most important rivals" the better. The importance of this fixture probably died when Shearer retired, it's the stuff of bygone era's. What's more important is that this fixture shows passion and good sportsmanship to reflect positively on the region - something the typically thick Geordie faithful forgot last season. Now that really is something to get irked about, because that IS real.

 

No **** Sherlock. Its kinda stating the obvious. The reality is though who are we going to get? You're kidding yourself if you think Mike is interested in investing the money to get a top manager. No top manager would be interested in coming here to work under this regime. Pardew has done a decent job under very poor circumstances. We all know what happens if he gets sacked, you'd have to be mad as a *****ose to think Joe is a better option. Like the players, we just have to get on with what we have and stop all the negativity. We are where we are as a club. It could be worse.

 

I must say that I was looking forward to hearing Pardew's excuses, and he hasn't failed to disappoint..

 

I think you're kinda making the point for me. The fanbase is way too over sensitive to media comments and defeats. We're one comment or one defeat away from the next crisis. All managers make excuses when they lose. All sound bitter as ****. FFS SAF made a career out of saying things that made no sense in interviews after defeats. All managers do it. Poyet will do it. Bobby Robson did it. Name any manager! We aren't that good. Pardew has good games (Liverpool) and poor games (Sunderland). Our players are wildly inconsistent. Not because of the manager, but because of a mixture of talent, commitment, experience, knowledge of the league and so on. We can whine all we lack but sooner or later we have to accept where we are.

 

When did I say I want Kinnear? Ashley would never risk him as he is walking heart attack anyway. I agree with you that no manager with talent would want to come here, whence why we have a bottom feeding yes man puppet like Pardew.

 

There might just be a good manager out there that likes a challenge.

 

Personally I blame Pardew for being a clueless twat, can't wait till he leaves us, we might be you again then, until then we won't because he's a passionless mong.

 

Joe will get the job short term. I don't think Mike gives a **** about his heart, didn't stop him first time round.

Aside from that you'd be looking at a very inexperienced manager, a desperado out of work or someone willing to accept a very low wage. The risk of sacking Pardew is massive for me. You have to look at the circumstances a new guy s walking into. Its a bit of a mess and a walkout waiting to happen. That completely destabilises the club and probably results in relegation. Its catch 22 in my opinion.

Pardew tries his level best. He is neither a puppet, yes man, or bottom feeder. He is a good football man who enjoys working here. He is maybe limited but at least he gives a **** and tries. It would be more damaging to have a KK type who would just walk out. The fans would say "good man, standing behind his principles" but the club would suffer. We have a disease in the club, until we rid ourselves of it we have to be careful what we wish for me.

 

but

I love the emotional aftermath of a defeat for Newcastle

 

Oh well you'll be a very happy chappy of the next two weeks. We got outfought two games running in a derby and Pardew can't even see it.

 

It's not the defeat nor who the opposition is; but simply the manner of the defeat.

Go down with all guns blazing and I can accept that. But to go down without a whimper is simply unacceptable. Is it the players' fault? Yes. But after the first inept performance the manager should be onto them. The second time the manager is really in their faces and if it goes on more than four or five times then something is badly wrong with the manager or the discipline.

Would Sir Alex have stood for the continual lack of effort or pride shown by his players? No.

The first time it's the players' fault; after that it's the players and the manager. I would rather a bunch of keen reserve players show up, give it a go and then lose 7-0 than to watch a load of overpaid superstars who simply can't give a ****. And unless the manager is willing to threaten the players with that then he's useless too.

 

Ashley is a ruthless bastard but mate if Joe took the job the stress would kill him, I am serious about that. I know Mike cares **** all about what the press thinks but for an ageing dinosaur to die during his tenure of a massive heart attack would make things extremely difficult for him.

Pardew might indeed try his best but it isn't good enough. He enjoys working here because he will never get a better job than this. I personally find him to be tactically inept, consistenly fails to get the best out of his players and will never admit any fault of his own. Bringing in players is one thing but keeping certain individuals out of pity/jobs for the boys is sickening. Shola? People say 'Oh he is a good lad, never gets into trouble...' yes but he takes home between £20-30,000 a week and does **** all for it. His contract should have been terminated years ago. There are many other problems I have with him which I can't be bothered to list and even though the vast majority of fans would like a new manager he won't be going anywhere for the concievable future anyway.

One win in six against your rivals is bad but remember this as well, Sunderland have won three in their last 26 games, two against us. It doesn't bode well though does it?

 

Ok, so where should we be in the table, who should be in charge and what should be happening every week?

 

How do you get rid of Shola if your Pardew though. Another common misconception and stick to beat him with that is not really his fault. He wouldn't have the authority. You could bring in Gus Hiddink, Shola would remain. It suits Ashley. Low end, low maintenance, but ensures he doesn't have to invest in a proper striker. Its why a top manager would never come, its why someone like KK stormed out. Its not up to them.

As for derby defeats, its funny that coincides with a team with a complete lack of English football experience isn't it? The players actually look frightened yesterday, it was embarrassing. Its not wizard of oz where Pards simply goes and ask for a heart for the likes of Santon. That isn't about a manager not inspiring him, the kid lacked balls, plain and simple.

 

The manager did get into them though, look at Liverpool. They just don't care enough, or are good enough to do it consistently. I accept Pardew needs to drop certain players but those coming in have the flaws in their character and ability. Anita aside. Our transfer policy is poor and we are reaping what we have sowed.

 

Because good managers are hard to find these days and I could do with a laugh I say these two chaps:

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I'm sure he can, maybe that is why he has been asking for more English players for the last few windows. He can see what we all can, the make up of the squad is not balanced in terms of character. You can carry a few, I'd even suggest you should (Ginola, Robert etc) but you simply must have a core who understand football in this country or you will be majorly inconsistent. It will never show more than in a local derby.

I am a happy chappy though.

 

He mentioned it this summer, why does he have to ask surely he must know English players who can add to the team and be able to suggest these players to the appropriate people. Other teams can win derbies with foreigners, also you can hardly say some of these players are new Tiote and Krul both played in the 5-1, Dummett is local and Williamson is English, not to mention the Ameobi's on the bench there are people within the squad who know the emotions of a derby.

 

You'd like to think so but unfortunately our club doesn't operate and it doesn't matter who you put in charge. It is done Mikes way, and that involves buying the cheapest players with the highest likely sale value. They are foreign players.

What is the common theme of your post there though? You name 4 players. Willo did his level best, not the greatest player but he tried yesterday. Dummett I excuse. The occasion got the better of the young man and he was out of position. Krul was average. Tiote did ok and showed the required passion for the game. Debuchy and Cabaye tried. Then we are carrying Santon (pussied out), Sissoko (doesn't care), HBA (1 in 6 man, scared), Cisse (****e), Gouf (bottled it, gassed), Remy (mixture of off day and fear). You carry that many in a derby you are asking for trouble particularly if you have a lack of leadership. Which we have done for a few seasons.

Its not so much the foreign element, its the character element. We quite clearly lack it.