Parpoo: undeserved loss...all Sunderland offered was passion

Taken from http://www.nufcblog.com/2013/10/27/sunderland-only-offered-passion-but-it-got-them-the-win/

Sunderland Only Offered Passion – But It Got Them The Win
6:14 pm, Sunday, October 27th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 247 Comments

Sunderland started this game like a steam train, and they were closing down Newcastle players when they got the ball and it was reminiscent of Southampton’s great play in the first half against Fulham yesterday, when they were too much for the London side and went 2-0 up.

But Newcastle came into this game in the last 20 minutes of the first half and controlled things pretty much in the second half, but still lost the game when Borini hit a great goal from 25 yards out with fie minutes to play.

This is what Alan said after the game:

“We were dominating. Really and truly we were done by a sucker punch,” “They got the goal early and that’s what you want for the first cross that comes in to be scored, that’s difficult to take.”

“But we settled down, it took us about ten minutes but then we started to get a little bit control over the game.” “But, of course, for them it was all about passion, running and closing us down and trying to capitalise on our mistakes.”

“That’s all they offered.”

Maybe passion is all the Sunderland players offered – but it got them the win – I know that because I checked the score again and it was still 2-1 to Sunderland and they took all 3 points from this game.


Is he serious? All they offered was passion? I don't care if all they offered was passion or not. The fact that we even had to talk about them only having passion leads to the question of whether he got our team ready and passionate enough to match Sunderland. How can he have complained about passion in a freaking derby game?

 

Sorry but If I was the owner I'd be searching for replacements right now.

He rarely offers anything to the team. Our results so far have come from individual quality mostly. Nothing to do with Pardew.

 

Passion, as in every sport, is what one needs. If a player doesn't have passion then let him go back to his grubby old day time job at his minimum wage.

Chis Waddle once said that the reason that he tried as a player and made sure that he put in his shift was that he knew that he didn't ever want to go back to his factory job.

When people say of the opposition side who won because of this they say that "they have nowt but passion. What did they have? Nothing.", and try to demean them but when one's side wins through because of passion and passion alone it's "Glorious stuff, last man standing. The Dunkirk Spirit, the Blitz Spirit".

The Newcastle players had the skills else they wouldn't be wearing a shirt. A minimum is that they should have the passion else they shouldn't be wearing the shirt.

Don't give me any of this feeble "they have nothing but passion" nonsense, Pardew. That is feeble and inexcusable and now you've managed to drop even lower in my estimation. Still, no doubt I will be hearing today that the players are hurting and that they are going to make amends for it on the pitch for the next game.

Anyway, well done to Sunderland and, oh Alan, you're wrong. They had more than passion: they had some half decent players who stood up on that pitch and played.

 

Dudes basically telling us he can't instil passion into a team heading into one of only two derby games in a season.
Dudes telling us he can't do the basic aspects of a manager,
Dudes telling us he needs sacking
Dudes probably aware we'd rather have bernard manning managing us than Kinnear
Dudes making a mockery of our forced support to keep him as manager

 

Parpoo's a thick headed useless Cockney bastard that doesn't understand passion!

He stands there like a tailor's dummy and doesn't deserve to be in a job, never mind at our place.

 

I'm not convinced he's wrong. He's not saying we showed passion, he's not saying we shouldn't have done so. He doesn't strike me as a non-passionate guy and I doubt, as per the Waddle comment, he wants to be out of a job either.

It's getting ever so tiresome that every, single defeat gets this kind of outcry. If that match had been drawn, no complaints. There'd not have been too many complaints if we'd won it either. But football likes to follow a romantic script sometimes and it did - imagine if the roles had been reversed, put yourself in a mackems shoes for a minute, they NEEDED that win so fcking badly and they still didn't deserve to take the points. Literally one half-chance and Borini pulls a 20 yard screamer out of his pocket. It's football, it happens.

The bottom line with this league is that we are realistically in that pool of teams from 9th down to 20th. We are very, very unlikely to be in that bottom pool of 4 or 5 squabbling over relegation rights. As it stands, we're "joint top" of that collective. This year, it looks like its Southamptons turn to 'have a pop' at the top 8. They'll very likely finish 8th, but when you're looking at Man City and Man Utd outside of the top 5, you know its a tough league.

I wish people would calm the fck down.

 

It's not one result though is it, as you even said. And it's the stupidity of his comment that irks people. This also extends to watching us spend **** all in summer and being force-fed Pards assurances of bringing in more players than we did. Oh great we're a january team, fat lot of ****ing good that does over the course of an individual season.
You can honestly say you've never once said you wanted pardew out? Im just starting to find him an embaressing mouthpiece for this club

 

Just the Newcastle way. Try to find something which isn't there, jump off the deepend, sack the manager, blah blah blah. He is not the first to suffer this way here. He is not best manager to suffer this way, and he certainly won't be the last!

Anything he says is spoken out of disappointment and bitterness. That is to be expected. We would have to have been more creative to deserve a win but his assessment is not far away. Our players undoubtedly lack passion, commitment on a consistent basis. That's what we have bought unfortunately. You can blame the manager if you truly believe its his transfer policy (you'd have to be mad to suggest this given previous comments) but trying to make him a scapegoat for the clubs real issues is a cop out for me

 

I think when it comes to Pardew people are frustrated at the following things:

Nobody knows what our formation will be from one game to the next.
He said there'd be no excuses but he's now blaming the ref (Tiote did foul Fletcher).
Ben Arfa has now played RM, LM, AM, LW & RW (as part of a front three) and as a False 9. How can one player have played in 6 positions after only 9 games??? No consistency.
He's picking Sissoko over Anita and it's simply not justified.
Our back four look like strangers regardless of who plays.
Our game plan is to rely on a piece of individual magic (which isn't a plan, meaning our game plan is basically based on hope).
He's not getting the best out of the team and hasn't done for some time.
Not one player has progressed under his management. They've either got worse or stagnated.

Now don't get me wrong, he's been dealt a **** hand by Ashley & Kinnear and the players are also accountable but Pardew isn't learning from his mistakes. I'm not really fussed if he goes or not as the end result will be we'll finish around 12th/13th under him. Under a new manager we may finish 9th/10th so there's very little difference.

 

We changed quite a bit when we finished 5th. We tried more rigidity when finishing 16th. I don't think Pardew has learnt yet how to do it. Personally I think he was right to start vs Sunderland how we played vs Liverpool, but I disagreed when he changed it so quickly. It meant we went from 10/11 players to 7.5/11 players; as soon as you're asking a player to do an unfamiliar job, he's half a player (we started with HBA and Dummett out of position).

It harks back to my calls for an identity to the side. I honestly think the Liverpool formation was right, is right, his choice of personnel is wrong. Some of that he can do something about (Santon, Sissoko) some he can't (HBA up top). In an ideal world we'd stick with this 4-3-2-1 formation until the players live and breathe it, but it's difficult when the fans are so knee-jerk and his hands are so tied on transfers.

 

Yes, I know, but our goal is to finish 8th, therefore we cannot, will not win every game. We cannot, will not be the best team in every match. Since the Everton embarrassment we've been the better side in all three matches (plus that second half). One draw against Sunderland and there'd be no comments and we'd all be looking to Man City. Personally, I think we should just keep moving forward regardless. Watch the match, hope for victory, analyse, comment but don't spout about changing the manager, or whatever - he's doing the best he can, he's the best we can get, just support the guy. To get the kind of success you want, the owner needs ambition and an open chequebook. People may think Southampton are a different example, but spend a couple of minutes looking up Liebherr and you'll get the difference...

 

We undoubtedly need to learn how to accept this. Part of being a mid table to lower side.

 

Thanks for the points we need them

Not sure about the passion issue that your manager raises, it looks as if for the first time this season we were up for a game. All professional footballers should be up for every game. I reckon Jack Colback was very good for us and Fletcher up front was the best striker on show. Cabeye does try (mind he is dirty) and he is talented, so is Hatem ben Arfa (sp) but you would not have known it from yesterday' performance.

Your goal came as a result of the usual poor defending from Johnson and your best second half chance came from a back-header from JoS. Borini's goal was a very good shot partly as a result from Tioate (sp) who had a reasonable game having a whinge at the ref after he did one of his many fouls. I would agree you were better 2nd half.

 

Most of us have excepted this but there are two results this season which I found totally unexceptable. Hull and Sunderland. A draw would have been fine in both games but we ****ed them up. A better manager could do SO much better with this team. Everyone knows it - you know it deep down as well mate.

 

But then aren't they offset by drawing 10 v 11 against Liverpool, beating Cardiff and Villa away??

 

Mate thats why its so frustrating, we know this team is capable. You wonder with some consistency how good we MIGHT be. The way it is going with the points tally and the run of games coming up we need another 9 points by Christmas to keep our heads above water. We will know by Christmas how this season will go. I really feel we have another relegation battle ahead of us - I can't see it any other way sadly.

 

Qn is are we really expecting to win every game?

Look how delighted all the fans were after we managed to get that draw with Liverpool.
There's more to the general unhappiness about Pardew that just results on the field.
And I'm not even wanting to touch on his tactics, be it good or bad as many have chosen to argue about.

It's a fact that we know he has no control over transfers(“You look at a club like Southampton, and they’re in a much stronger financial position than us in terms of purchasing players. "), and we understand at least that.

However, what I can't excuse, is the crap that he loves to spout after every loss or so, if we look back at what he has said

"Judge me after 8 games"
"Sunderland can only dream of Europe"
"Players are hurting in the dressing room"
"We were the better team but (insert excuse here)"
"The performance up until the sending off was pretty sound. The two goals City scored, they have a lot of talent, but we threatened their goal and we looked like we could get something." <- Just to remind you guys, we barely smelt the City penalty box
the list goes on...
I saw a full list of Pardew's excuses somewhere else, but not going to post it here as that isn't the point

A loss to the most important rivals is already hard enough to stomach. We don't need to get angry the next day after seeing what kind of utter tripe Pardew spouted in his post-match conference.

 

Pardew does talk a great deal of ****e, but then what option does he have?

The squad is average with a couple of under-performing 'stars'.

Of course Sunderland beat us with passion... we didn't show any and that's simply unacceptable.

 

We thought we would beat the Christmas rush and get our presents out early.

 

I like Pardew but I think he's showing Sunderland a lack of respect here by putting their victory simply down to passion.

When I was a younger bloke and felt passion I'd shag a barber's floor, however these days I have to admit my performance levels tend to drop off a little despite feeling the same passion, therefore I have to rely on experience and skill to get the required result.