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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    It is proof of nothing apart from the fact that the dog detected "something". The dog cannot give evidence in a court about "What" it detected, but no DNA from Maddie was detected in any of the locations you have mentioned. Besides, only an complete imbecile would suggest that the McCann's not only killed Maddie, they hid her cadaver in various locations in the flat and then disposed of her body 3 weeks later - all under the noses of a massive police investigation.

    It's ludicrous.
     
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  2. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Case to re-open


    Portuguese police are to request that the Madeleine McCann investigation be reopened, according to local media.

    Police in Oporto have been reviewing the case and have identified a number of issues they wish to clarify, an unnamed police source was quoted as saying.

    The move to re-examine the case in the country where Madeleine went missing comes after a fresh appeal for information was aired across Europe.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1158880/madeleine-mccann-portugal-cops-may-open-case
     
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    Hid her in Gerry's tennis bag ...
     
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    Nobody ever asked what they were eating in the tapas bar that night.
     
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    Stovies, Dan <ok>
     
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    British police say their review of the case suggests it was a premeditated abduction, with their focus turning towards a man seen carrying a child at about the same time Madeleine was found to be missing from the family's holiday apartment. Detectives have released two e-fit images of a man they want to speak to in connection with the case based on the accounts of two witnesses.Both described seeing him in Praia da Luz on the evening of May 3, as Madeleine's parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends. Four other e-fits based on witness accounts of men seen in the area, some of whom may have been working as "charity collectors" who may or may not be genuine, were also released.
    An appeal is due to air on Irish television later this month.

    This is obviously nonsense, the Conspiracy Theorists know better than the dumb British Coppers (who have actually studied all the evidence). They should stop looking for alleged abductors and just ask the McCanns what they did with the body in the three weeks before they hired a car to move her. Why no one bothered looking in a cupboard in the flat remains a mystery.
     
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    And as Uncle Dev will tell us, the British Police have never been wrong in their entire history.

    If Dev says it, you'd better take it as gospel. He used to be in the filth.
     
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  8. The Raging Oxter

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    I haven't read any of this but:

    a) Didn't one of the other parents go up and check on Maddie and the kids not long before she was abducted?

    b) Why are people so willing to believe it was the parents based on no more than idle speculation by a few internet loonies rather than what the police are saying?
     
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  9. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    a) Mibby
    b) Cos it's more fun that way.
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

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    Nature abhors a vacuum and internet loonies love a conspiracy.

    This whole conspiracy about the McCanns was first started by Detective Goncalo Amaral (Sacked in disgrace and now a convicted perjuer) because he did not have a ****ing clue and had made several major **** ups in the investigation at the initial stages. The Portugese media and Government were happy to go with this fantasy because it meant that they could claim that kids were not in danger of being abducted in Portugal.
     
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    Some internet loonies will tell you it was this person who killed Maddie and that the McCanns are covering for him.

    Seriously.
     
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  12. RAVENBLACK

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    Or her.
     
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    People think they ahve the right to play judge jury and executioner. A popular mindset is that because they left the kids on their own even if it doesnlt mean they killed her it makes them guilty of soemthing so they may as well have killed her anyway.
     
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    Indeed Dan. They forensically analyse every action of the McCann's and the "Tapas 9" whilst ignoring the background of the man who made the allegations, Goncalo Amaral. I would not beleive a word that **** says.
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    My view is that she shouldn't have been left alone in the first place. The tragedy that unfolded would never have happened.
     
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    This may be of interest:

    The following is a press article from the well respected Portuguese newspaper, EXPRESSO. The translation is a little clunky but the message, I think, is loud and clear. They have no time for Amaral's clearly flawed and discredited theories, and draw paralells to his previously botched handling of the Cipriano case, one which has resulted in an innocent woman being framed for a crime few in Portugal believes she committed.

    http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.com/2010/11/joana-cipriano-goncalo-amarals.html

    It needs little more in the way of explanation from me, so here it is, in full.

    http://aeiou.expresso.pt/maddie-nao-repousa-em-paz=f372432
    When Maddie case began, I wrote that would be the biggest and most decisive test done on the ability of the Judicial Police. This was not a view difficult to subscribe: From the beginning, right from the first day, it was realized that the case would reach an impact far beyond what we are used and a media coverage that quickly spillover boundaries. He demanded that, in light of a different spotlight, PJ was able to demonstrate competence and savoir-faire, on how they would manage the investigation.
    Well. Reportedly, next Monday, the attorney general's office will announce that the case be closed without any finding and following the report of the PJ in the police acknowledge that they are in the same point they was like in the first days, more than one year: no opportunity to present any consistent version of the disappearance of Maddie. Even accepting that, as Pinto Monteiro, there has always been and there will be unsolved cases in the field of criminal investigation, an investigation of a crime that has just filed for lack of clues and will always be a defeat for the police. But in this case, the loss is much greater, because the proportional investment - in men, media, money, time and cooperation of all - that there is no memory whatsoever between us.

    The PJ, take turns to give it, fails because, first of the objectives which was to demonstrate its expertise, unlocking the case. I admit that would not be easy, but failed and soon began to fail from the beginning, when they didn´t tried to isolate the crime scene, ensuring the preservation of all possible clues. Since the early days, I got the impression that the PJ had no thoughtful strategy, before or during, to handle a similar case: accepted random searches at the whim of volunteerism GNR or popular, it took an eternity to investigate possible leaks raptor abroad by sea or land, accepted the first volunteer interpreter who came to him (Robert Murat, later turned into the accused), and only much later and with the collaboration of the British Forensic Science, that it started to worry with some work with the old and effective style Sherlock Holmes. But it was too late.

    The worst, however, came later. Unable to find Madeleine or her body, with no clue about possible kidnappers and some data about the abduction, PJ decided to invest everything in a thesis of its own and without any support that enabled them: that they were the parents themselves who were involved in the disappearance of Maddie. The same officers who had investigated the disappearance of Joana, also in the Algarve, and had concluded that that was her mother, Leonor Cipriano, who killed her daughter and hid the body, advanced to the Maddie case with the ease of those who thought that history is repeated. That should immediately have alerted the national leadership of the PJ, not being able to ignore that never found the body of Joanna nor conclusive evidence that the mother killed her - except the 'confession' of her own, ripped at the premises of the PJ in Faro , late at night, with no judge or lawyer present, and in circumstances that interrogators who tore the confession are now being at court for the crime of aggression. Can not for reasons to view, support the theory that the McCanns had sold the child or arranged this kidnapping, not daring to suggest that they would have simply murdered, suggested a milder case, they would have beaten their daughter, both or only one, causing her accidental death. Then, faced with the drama, they would, by common consent, the disappearance of Maddie's corpse and found it missing and abducted by strangers.

    The thesis was, in itself, truly unbelievable. A couple of foreign citizens who never came to Portugal on holiday, in a small village with intense movement of people and tourists, would, during a dinner with seven friends in a restaurant for all to see, arranged a way to go to the room where their daughter slept with brothers, take her body to give her disappearance and return to dinner as if nothing had happened. All this done over a period of half an hour to an hour, without anyone's notice and with such success that they neither knew the terrain and its surroundings, able to elude the search of hundreds of popular and GNR, made days within a radius of wire fifty miles. You had to believe this nonsense, and yet researchers believed and national leadership of the PJ, it seems, too.

    And then followed what PJ is a specialist, every time it cannot unravel a media case: start blowing information and opinions to the press, suggesting that knows very well what happened, but that strong obstacles (in this case, diplomatic ), to prevent yet to be able to say. Men's PJ hand in the press - journalists, former policemen and other 'experts' - then began to feed the dirty campaign against the McCanns, that was very strange that she would not cry, the couple had sexually immoral habits, which friends were all suspicious, she had complained that Maddie was a difficult child, etc.. and such. Prepared the ground, it was then the final blow: the constitution of the McCanns as suspects - which, for the bulk of public opinion, national or international, only meant that the Portuguese police had the suspects as the death and concealment of a corpse of the daughter.

    Then, also as usual, began searching for evidence to support the thesis - the opposite of any serious investigation. The McCanns and the friends were being interrogated for hours, hoping that one of them is 'sagging' with what the investigators wanted to hear. As The Times wrote, to their astonishment, the Portuguese police still clinging to research methods that are essentially self-incrimination by taking the suspects, or through wiretapping or the confession, both spontaneous or not, of themselves. As explained by an 'expert' in RTP, when the suspects are not available to continue to be asked &#8220;ad nauseam&#8221;, the Police has no 'investigative means. " And so, when the McCanns are all gone home, tired of being there and always on hand to see the police obtain incriminating only concerned with them as murderers of their own daughter, instead of seeking their captors, the PJ did not know what to do. The old and lazy methods had not resulted and there were others who knew her. More than a year later, will lift up the infamous suspicion about a couple who had the misfortune of losing her daughter in Portugal and about an Englishman who had the misfortune of being neighbor to the village and have raised suspicions of a journalist. Archive itself.

    No, do not archive. There has to be responsible and they can not hide behind books designed to further extend the slander and violence against innocents. And there has to be responsible among journalists and editors who have been given lightly to adhere to and publicize an argument that the police sold them and served them to sell more newspapers. No, do not archive. Enough of filings.
     
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    I couldn't agree more gambol and most probably everyone would share that view. However, you don't claim that the parents murdered her or whatever - many do.
     
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    But all the parents were checking on the kids regularly. This whole "shouldn't have left them on their own" pish has been blown out of all proportion.
     
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    Gordon Brown is a ***** who covered up the fact Gerry n hsi mate are *****s and they arranged the abduction.







    Is what I read on a mental internet blog!
     
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    The family of a girl who vanished just seven miles from the Portuguese resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared are convinced the cases are connected. Joana was last seen near church

    On the day of Madeleine's fifth birthday, Joana Cipriano's relatives have urged detectives to investigate links between the two disappearances - saying there are too many disturbing similarities for the evidence to be ignored.
    Joana, eight, was sent to buy some groceries from a village store near her home in Figueira, at around 8pm on September 12, 2004. She bought a tin of tuna and some milk from the Ofelia store, and was last seen by a neighbour walking back near the village church, some 200 yards from her home. Joana never returned and, like the McCanns, her mother Leonor mounted a campaign to find her. Like them, she and her brother Joao became suspects.

    The case, which ended with the pair being sentenced to 21 years, made Portuguese legal history - it was the first murder trial where a body was never found. Police officers are due to go on trial later this year for allegedly beating and torturing Leonor to make her confess. Joana's relatives told Sky News Online the pair are innocent and believe whoever took the girl is also behind Madeleine's disappearance, seven miles away in Praia da Luz. The family, who do not want to be named, said: "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Portugal - child abductions are very rare. Whoever took Joana took Madeleine too, the distance is too small. And the police ignored everything we told them, they just wanted to solve the case quickly. They didn't look at any of the things we told them about." They said the most crucial bit of evidence was a white and brown camper van, parked near Joana's home in the days before she was abducted.
    The vehicle, with German number plates, disappeared around the time she vanished. They added: "There was a man living in there, but he hardly left the van. A week later the van was found abandoned in farmland in Praia da Luz. We told the police to investigate it, but they didn't listen to us." She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old. A suspect in the Madeleine case, spotted acting suspiciously near the apartment where she vanished on May 3 last year, was described as between 35 and 40, with long, straggly hair.

    Criminologist and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas believes there are far too many similarities between the two cases for it not to be a strong line of police inquiry. He says that because of the huge doubts over the Cipriano convictions, whoever abducted Joana is more than likely to be behind Madeleine's disappearance. Like Madeleine's case, the police investigation got off to a bad start, with officers failing to seal off the house where she was last seen. Leonor alleges police beat her to make her confess. A photograph of her heavily-bruised face was published in Portuguese newspapers.

    Goncalo Amaral, a senior detective who was sacked from the Madeleine case, is one of the five officers charged in connection with extracting the confession. The indictment reportedly alleges that they kicked her, hit her with a cardboard tube, put a plastic bag over her head, and made her kneel on glass ashtrays.
    Amaral faces charges of negligence and perjury, another officer is accused of fabricating a document, and the three others are charged with torture.
    Leonor Cipriano later recanted her confession, but is serving 16 years&#8217; jail for the murder of her daughter, who vanished in Portugal&#8217;s Algarve region three years ago. The body of Joana Cipriano, 8, has never been found.

    Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, who heads the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao, the nearest town to Praia da Luz, from where Madeleine vanished, could appear before a secret criminal hearing as early as next month. He is accused of concealing evidence over allegations that three of his colleagues tortured Cipriano, over 48 hours&#8217; continuous interrogation, to secure a confession. All four, and a fifth accused of fabricating evidence, deny the allegations. They say Cipriano was injured when she tried to kill herself by throwing herself down police station stairs.

    Portugal&#8217;s police have faced increasing criticism of their handling of the McCann case. Cipriano was unable to pick out any assailants from among the accused officers. Sources say the prosecutor is now investigating the allegation that police paid outside thugs to beat her up. One of the police officers accused of involvement in torture in the Cipriano case is recently retired chief inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao. He has been writing a daily column on the Madeleine case for a Portuguese newspaper that has been reporting sensational stories leaked by &#8220;sources close to the police inquiry,&#8221; some of which have later proved untrue. He makes it clear he considers the McCanns are probably responsible for Madeleine&#8217;s death or disappearance.

    Like Chief Insp. Amaral, he denies all wrongdoing in the Cipriano case."




    Since this was published Amaral has been convicted of perjury and given 18 months in prison &#8211; suspended.
     
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