Thats a lot of words in order to say absolutely **** all. When did I say Quinny would rape anyone you ****ing halfwit. We also got a right royal stuffing over at NE1 which you seem to be forgetting very easily and went yet another 3months without a win (1 point out of 33). Your are either a) a brain dead ****wit b) incapable of putting together any semblance of an argument without resorting to abuse c) have already made an appearance on Geordie Shore (you'd fit right in intellectually by the sounds of it)
As one of the Bruce out boring bastards, little secret for you ,I never wanted him to start with, if you want him FINE, so therefore you are just as boring as us, but would add the word blinkered, so if you want to patronise,carry on, but it would be nice , if you could find your very own, not someone elses BANDWAGGON.
But cestria, what exactly do you want? last year 75% of our turnover went on wages, and we have a wage cap, we cant just give a 20 year old 60,000 a week when others are on 40,000 a week max, sess joined and took a pay cut to join us, he would be straight to bruce or quinn asking for a pay rise, so would most of the other players, we say no they dont want to play for us anymore and want a move. We just havnt got the worldwide fan base or the ticket prices for that matter to pay any more, its simple economics, you would be up in arms if they charged £50 for a ticket, or £600 for a season ticket like the toon, but that may have to happen if you want to progress as much as you do. When Quinn took over we were bottom of the championship, and a yo yo club for years before that, now we are a premier league regular (yes its only been 5 years but its still a bloody long time for us) and we have improved steadily in that time, doesnt matter how we finished 10th, we finished there, which is what everyone wanted at the start of last season. I honestly dont know what you want from them.
Pardon me for joining in lads. But at the risk of agreeing with a mackem, this is exactly what I said about Big Andy at the regions biggest club. Selling your best young players, especially one's capped by England sends out a message that you aren't prepared to give it a go and you've settled for mediocrity; hoping against hope you can win the Carling Cup once every 30 years (we wish) to keep the mugs coming back for more. In the North East money is no use because you can't get top players to come here, we couldn't by a £35m striker (unless he was born here) and you can't buy a £20m midfield player because they have more attractive options. So when you get one dropped in your lap you should move heaven and earth to keep them. We might try to kid ourselves they aren't worth it, but who's your money on to fight for honours and glory next season and the season after, one of us or Liverpool? Football's about dreams for fans, not nightmares. Night night.
I won't stoop so low as to abuse you Cest, but you arent half contradictory. 'Your are either a) a brain dead ****wit b) incapable of putting together any semblance of an argument without resorting to abuse c) have already made an appearance on Geordie Shore (you'd fit right in intellectually by the sounds of it)' You are wanting people to debate with you, but really you are just looking for popularity, you are herding your flock. It's really a case of He who can shout loudest with you. I very rarely agree with anything you say and on this occasion I couldn't disagree with you more. I'm sure I Have heard you argue with people in the past saying 'give the lad a chance' when like you they have slagged players off before even joining us. Pot,kettle comes to mind.
What do I want? I want the club to stop feeding me horse **** whilst telling me its caviar. I want them to be brutally honest and come out and say what we all now know. There's no money. We have to sell to survive and top players wont be coming because a) they don't want to play in the NE and b) we cant afford them. What we have is Quinny spinning Irish folk tales about playing in Europe and bringing the best to the club. What I hear is Bruce talking about a good season when we all know it wasnt and relegation was a real threat until 3 weeks before the end of the campaign. I hear what you are saying about our hapless history mate (I witnessed most of it over the past 36 years) and how we were a yo yo club but hats my point. We could very well be there again next season because selling our best players (for under market value IMO) and replacing them with showers of **** will get us back to our previous worst very quickly. Stop taking us for mugs and give it to us straight. I'm sick and tired of hearing the club talk a good fight and yet deliver powder puff performances in reality. If we must sell players then rip the eyes out of potential suitors and don't get ****ed over by clever talking Jocks. I want the club to look and sound like a hard nosed professional club that attracts the 5th highest crowds in England despite not winning **** all for 40 years and not being the Champions for nearly 80. I want to be treated like we really matter not like we are just lame fools that will keep supporting the club no matter what they tell us or do to us. I'm not daft, I know the financial situation is important and if they told us why Henderson was sold was to raise cash then fine I'll live with it but all I smell is SAFC bull **** as I did with Cowie and Murray only Quinny dresses it up much better. Is it too much to ask that SAFC acts like and delivers a proper EPL football club for the longest suffering, most numerous fans in English football? We havent had a European match at home for 36 years yet we attracted 40,000 fans average last year. For that alone, what I want is for the continuing ****ty failure to stop and a real top flight club to be provided.
cestria, you said you wanted debate, i gave you it and your response just really sums you up, a busted flush marra, sad to see.
While i'm not here to take sides (i have my own opinions), Cest did say it's not the selling of Henderson that's the major problem but the signings of N'Gog. I have to say, N'Gog has been nothing less than appaling each time i've seen him play (including a laughably embarrasing game in europe). It's not right to just say "give the lad a chance" (every Sunderland fan will give N'Gog a chance) because we're here to debate and people may want to express their opinion about the abilities of certain players. N'Gog is not the kind of player i like to watch (to say the least) and i'd like the right to say that. I think Cest, and plenty others (me included), would have liked us to take full cash for Henderson giving us more power in our attempts to find a top class replacement for Bent. I don't think we're in a position to waste millions on players not good enough. I'll be depressed if we just pack out our squad with players who've proven they're not good enough for the top level. However, there's still time to bring in some top players and make everyone feel better.
Popularity? I'd say I am swimming against the tide with this one, as most fans seems happy to accept the Henderson/N'Gog deal happily. So first point wrong. Secondly, you mainly take it form the club and just accept it, no matter what old ****e is fed you. I wont. If its wrong I will say it and if the replies to my opinions receive abuse they get it back. Thats my way. Its not shouting the loudest its my opinion. If you think its ****e then fine, I lose precious little sleep at night worried whether the like of you agree with me or not. Lastly, if you truly can put your hand on your heart and say 100% that you agree with everything that is happening at the moment at SAFC, then good for you. I hear lots of big talk but see only negative actions from the Club. Bruce is on borrowed time for me and is hardly covering himself in glory, either since January or for the past 3 weeks. The latest transfer stories are a calamity waiting to happen IMO. We shall see if the clubs ambitions are still here with the calibre of signing we make now. Wes Brown? Darren Gibson? David N'Gog? **** me if you think this is progress then God help us all.
Does SAFC not have overheads amd costs. Electricity, staff (playing staff especially) etc etc. That will swallow up quite a bit of that 61 mil.
We are in the hardest league in the world, have been for 5 years, we may not be properly established yet, that may take another 5 years, but we can only go on the last 5 years we have been in it. The only chance we have of Europe i feel is the cups, we just are not a top 5 or 6 team im afraid, and we will never get into it via the fair play league. We can only spend what we make back, not sure if that is in place right now, but it will be very soon, so if 75% of our turnover goes on wages, the clubs hands are tied. You also say we have the 5th best attendance, ok great, but spurs/chelsea and even stoke etc have smaller stadiums, but they sell out every game, we dont. (they can only sell as many as their stadium holds). Henderson was not our best player, he was probably the one with the best potential, but what happenes if he flops at this under 21 tournament, and then is knackered next year (or even worse gets injured, which lets be honest, would have just been out luck lol) and we still got relegated, we would have sold him for 2-3 million aka Kevin Phillips. When you are in our position, you have to cash in on your assets, and hopefully improve in those areas that need improving (and for us its the entire squad not just 1st team) so to do that you have to sell, 20 million for Henderson is a hell of a deal, forget the Carrol deal, that was last day desperation on Liverpools part. If/once we get into europe then we can try to keep those young players, and move on, but until then, you have to try to ballance the books, and 20 million for a 20 year old goes a long way to doing that.
**** me and you say I am negative? Why dont we just shut up shop and bulid a Tescos on the SOL site if we are that insignificant and hapless? You may accept that it always has to be the way it has for 40 years, I dont. 2nd best forever maybe your motto in life but it aint mine. Never has been and never will.
just STFU cest please, you are the most depressing ****ing idiot on here. i am being realistic not pessimistic btw. and why if you look down on the club so bloody much, do you still pump your money into every season, only 5 teams get in Europe via league placings Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Liverpool, there is 6 right there we have to take over, and thats not even mentioning the likes of villa/everton. My point is its not going to be easy to do.
Steve. Actually paying £35M for Carroll was anything but desperation. He cost them nowt because they then sold a busted flush for £50M and had another £15M to put towards Suarez. Buying players like that probably sold the club to Jordan Henderson too. Its called smart management. I understand why you don't recognise it if you come from the North East of England, its been in short supply round here for 50 odd years.
Even a mag can see the sense in what I am trying to say. If we don't stop the continual acceptance of failure at BOTH clubs then we will never amount to anything between us. Just because we havent won **** all in 4 decades doesn't mean it always has to be this way. Too many fans just accept the ****e shovelled out from the clubs too readily and never question or criticise for fear it make them look unpatriotic. Unless we start and demand better and complain when it isn't delivered ( as all the successful clubs fans do) then we will continually be fed 2nd class status from the clubs. Its much cheaper for the clubs to pull in 40,000 fans for delivering **** all than to actually achieve something in order to pull them in in the first place.
my point is, we were bottom of the championship in 5 short years we are 10th in the premier league if thats not moving forward i dont know what is.
Steve - firstly lets not make it personal and in the heat of the moment things get said we don't mean. I apologise for that. You are right about the stats. Taken in isolation they make it all seem very good but if you are honest, up until the last 3 games we were very much relegation threatened. The reality is we are only 3 games away from being relegated here and now we are selling our best young players and looking towards some very ropey replacements. I want the same as you. Progress but what I honestly see is a huge step backwards from Christmas not one forward. We did finish 10th but we fluked it mate. We cant keep relying in flukes every year. These 2nd half season slumps have to stop. We have to stop selling the family silver and looking for brass to replace them but most of all we have to stop talking the good talk and start fighting a bit more.
Oh dear. Is he stroking his ego once again. Woh-be ****ing tide any who disagree with the "mighty" Cest. His ultimate and very very predictable defense is always misplaced personal abuse. The bloke could fall in a dung heap, find a diamond and complain afterwards that his trousers smell a bit.
