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the next 3 games we have are crucial......

Discussion in 'Cardiff City' started by Swamp, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. ccfcremotesupport

    ccfcremotesupport Well-Known Member

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    Thought we'd paid £1M for Mutch. Still, not a lot for a goal scoring midfielder.

    Suppose £12M isn't that much for a striker. If he scores a 5th of the goals that Torres has got for Chelsea or a 7th of the goals Caroll has scored for Liverpool and WH he'll have been a bargain.
     
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  2. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Aussie - "getting off" on the idea that you've bought a duffer doesn't work for me, but it would give me a semi.........<laugh>

    You clearly see the Prem in a very different light to us across here. The difference is we KNOW we are a weak side in Premeiership terms given this is our first experience of it, as opposed to you lot who THINK you have some sort of right of residency up here.

    Now how we cope with our "weak" status will define our future. Malky's answer so far has been to be ultra cautious putting 10 men behind the ball. On the surface of it, this gives the impression that we are a poor side struggling to cope. The real truth is that we accept our position and are coming to terms with what we face every week.

    Going full out at these sides would be absolute suicide - picking up points at this stage from wherever we can get them has got to be the prudent approach.

    However, I accept that it doesn't look pretty at times, but believe me, we can play when we push on. We've lost our last wo games but have shown in both the ability to seriously trouble good sides. After a diabolical first half against Newcastle, we should have beaten them, and the Chelsea game only turned sour after some great defensive work.

    We need time and patience - staying up isn the target for us whereas you have ideas far above ours this season.
     
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  3. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    <doh> you're right about Mutch not being a freebie there Remote. I think it was undisclosed at the time but rumoured to be around the 1 mill mark.

    I was thinking about Gunnar from Cov, but there again, that was another bargain at the time. <ok>
     
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  4. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    ccfc you are correct in saying that in the Prem £12M isn't a lot. Remember this is the first season we've spent a large amount of money on one player.

    Sparkey: "some sort of right of residency" No, but we've had some residency haven't we? We've proved that in our first 2 seasons we're a mid-table side. You can mention points as much as you like, it's a fact. None of us are deluded enough to not think we may one day be in a relegation dogfight but from what we've seen this season I'd be surprised if it's this time.

    I tend to agree with your assessment re Cardiff and your aim should be 17th spot. Many of ours feel the same about the Swans but I think it'll be disappointing if we don't get mid table again. But when you describe the way you're playing you seem to be describing a team that's not spent much and who is then understandably cautious every game rather than a team that in fact has spent a lot of money. Maybe this is what Tan has got his knickers in a twist over?
     
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  5. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Spending money doesn't make a team as was ably demonstrated by QPR last season.

    As I said, it takes time to get it together as a TEAM - a collection of individuals is a waste of time.

    I think we are going about it the right way whatever you think about Tan getting his "knickers in a twist" over it. I personally don't think that's the case at all - he just likes his business run properly from a purley fiscal point of view.

    Agreed, he needs to get his head around the fact that this is football not burgers.
     
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  6. suprimir

    suprimir Active Member

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    Your last 26 games suggests you are not that strong. Interesting that you have ignored discussing the 7 wins (2 of which were against the bottom clubs) from your last 26 starts in your assertion that you are an established mid table club. Established obviously means a very short time where you are from!
     
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  7. suprimir

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    I agree with this entirely. I do not like what Tan has done to the club from a traditional point of view, but there is not much doubt that the club is going forward on and off the pitch.
     
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  8. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    You call 28 points from 26 games poor yet this shows we are earning more than a point a game. You are on 8 points in 8 games. If our ratio is poor yours must be diabolical! Yet you all still think your having a decent start <laugh> do me a favour.
    So far this season we have beaten the teams we expected to, lost to the teams we expected to, drew to Liverpool when we were expected to lose and lost to Southampton where we were hoping to draw. That puts us on the exact points we should be on. Check out our next 6 or so fixtures. All very winnable.
    It looks like all that defending is starting to take its toll on Cardiffs players, not to mention your luck running out. Your results are starting to reflect on your teams ability. I expect another loss for you away to Norwich.
     
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  9. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    are cardiff city one of the weaker sides in the division? yes...... all i said was with united and arsenal coming up, that makes the next 3 games against weaker opposition twice as important as it usually is...... what you seem to be attempting to argue is that swansea and the others are in the same bracket as arsenal etc...

    WAKE UP YOUR NOT. AND YOU NEVER WILL BE.

    hope that helps...........<doh>
     
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  10. DaiJones

    DaiJones Well-Known Member

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    8 points from 8 games is only just decent if it's your 1st season, though myself I think it's not good enough.
    28 points from 26 in your 2nd and 3rd year should be worrying but I'll leave that to you.

    When we've played 26 games if we only have 28 points I agree it will be diabolical.
     
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  11. DaiJones

    DaiJones Well-Known Member

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    Ok, if you think so <laugh>


    Sent the Taxi to the wrong person Aussie <doh>
     
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  12. isawronnymoorescore

    isawronnymoorescore Well-Known Member

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    Well after the Euphoria of our first month or so in the EWPL, i have accepted that it is going to be ultra difficult for us to stay in this league, I agree with Swamp about us having to take points from teams that are going to be around us, and that is basically every team apart from the top 6, the rest, well anything is up for grabs really, as for our noisy neighbours, yes they have done well, but imo are punching above thier weight, but doing it quite successfully, hopefully we can become established in this league, and i will accept mid table medocrity as long as we take the FA and League cups more seriously. What happens over the next 2 months will define our season and will give us all a better idea of the mammoth task ahead for the club and its supporters. Together and with full support of the club and its ownership are of paramount importance to achieve our goal in this division.
     
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  13. bluebird_nat

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    Why do you keep saying our luck is running out? We work as a team and grind out the results. Some decisions have gone our way some haven't that's football!
     
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  14. snlk/poksnbn

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    Of the three clubs quoted, only swansea fans can't seem to see the logic Swamp.
     
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  15. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be missing a trick here. Let's just say 40 points is safety yes? 28 from 26 actually keeps you safe in the division. 8 from 8 does not. This is the one critical difference. If you want to stay in this division you need to pray for a ratio of 28 from 26.

    Swamp, at what point did anyone from swansea compare themselves to arsenal?
    We are weaker opposition than the likes of arsenal, Chelsea etc. But that's not what you said. You referred to 3 teams as weak opposition. There is a blatant difference. Your meant to be in Uni, surely you are educated enough to identify this?
    There is strong opposition (Norwich, swansea, villa) then there is stronger opposition (arsenal, Chelsea, spurs). Realistically as a newly promoted team you would be looking to draw against the strong and expected to lose to the stronger. Yet all the above teams would be looking to win against you.
     
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  16. Stevoldinho

    Stevoldinho Well-Known Member

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    No one here says you're going down but as you say 28 from 26 would give you 40.92pts over the season hardly the assured safety you lot seem to preach over here (and **** me you lot preach).

    We've said it wouldn't take a lot for you to get dragged in. Your form since Jan says you'll 'SMASH' the safety barrier by 0.92pts!! Abslutely nothing to worry about there then........

    One other thing, before you beat a terrible Sunderland side at home you were on the diabolical pt per game ratio mentioned same as us.
     
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  17. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Stevo - this is all sliderule stuff from them down the road. I can't believe the interest this club holds for them to go into so much depth.

    This is their third season now in the Prem and all credit to them, but you get the feeling that they're ****ting themselves that they'll fall a bit flat this year with regards to their expectation levels. Thank God our sights are set somewhat lower.

    I can still remember the posts across there before they played their opening game of the season against Man U. It was definitely "the right time" to play them because of the Fergie/Moyes swtich and they were going to show them what for. C'est la vie.
     
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  18. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    Weaker, weaker, weaker.... All this damage control from somebody who actually did not say weaker. Both Swans and Canaries came here and we put you in your place. We are not weak compared to Cardiff, other fans know that. :)
     
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  19. suprimir

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    Whoops. We are the ones who are saying we are weak, and if we can get a point a game over the season it will be tight near the end. You are the ones telling us you are an established middle of the table club yet you are averaging about 1.08 points a game for a reasonable length of time. How about thinking before you type?

    Say what you want but any decent team would be expecting more than what you have shown this calendar year. Just let your ego deflate a fraction. Most on here are very realistic about Cardiff. You seem to struggle with the fact that we know we are a weak side.
     
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  20. suprimir

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    Just your fans don't know it. You spend your whole time frightened you will end up back in obscurity. We just worry about doing the best we can.
     
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