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Surely, by the precedents they've set, the FA MUST set up an 'independent' panel?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Ivan Dobsky, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. Ivan Dobsky

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    What they've done this time should be a reminder of how things SHOULD have been dealt with in the past. And reminded they will be. You previously listed a posse of pressure groups that the FA (or any large organisation, for that matter) have to deal with, and somehow suggested it was a virtue that they capitulated (willingly) to their pressure. You also inferred that the FA's public lynching over Suarez had still not sated the bloodlust of the lunatic fringe of these single-issue fanatics, such as Piara powar, Luther Blissett, James Lawton and the United-controlled media. So it didn't 'work' anyway, if anything their stance just feed- fed the hysteria.

    So what they COULD and SHOULD have done? Ban Suarez for three/four games based upon the evidence that was available, and that they changed the evidence base of the charge from objectivity to subjectivity (and that last bit is vital for what's to come). Charge Evra with EXACTLY the same, based upon the evidence obtained. Then treat all other cases by the same standard. And unitl they do that last bit, many of us will remind them (vigorously) of that inconsistency.
     
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  3. Bumps

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    Tbf they have probably dealt with this one in the correct manner, but they have not been consistent (i do not count being consistently inconsistent as consistent :) ). The double standards are what get people annoyed ( well certainly me) but another that drives me potty is that people cant see the double standards until its their own team. I actually enjoy this debate keep coming up as it sparks a lot of passion from all parties.
    The rugby guy on talksport this morning made a good point which was that whoever brought this out the changing room has really potentially damaged the team ethos, not good in a world cup year :( what goes on in the boot room should stay there
     
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    ^this
     
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  5. Tobes

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    Barring the equivalent ban for Evra, I actually agree with all of that <yikes>

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  7. DirtyFrank

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    A racist? Someone that believes they should be held in higher esteem than others based solely on the colour of their skin. People who think a different standard applies to them based solely on what colour they are.

    People who think they can go around the world dictating what a person can think or say, what words they can use based solely on what colour they are? Constantly reminding others of different races of their place in the world based on that race. People who think they can decide what is culturally acceptable or indeed unacceptable according to a narrow worldview dominated by their own inflated sense of their racial profile?

    That used to be a description of a western white male soaked in the moral superiority of colonialism/imperialism.

    Wonder who it best described in the past couple of days or months.

    For a (thankfully) very few the fight for equality is actually a fight for revenge.

    Again thankfully the rest of us just want to live with each other, celebrating our diversity not constantly looking for some kind of grading system.

    This, as it always has been among the current crop of groups mouthing is about a scramble for power. They like being able to tell people to dance.
     
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  8. Ivan Dobsky

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    Ahhhhhhhhhh, you've had it! I'm telling Herbert....
     
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    Haven't heard that expression for years, Thanks for the smile.
     
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    Good post Frank.

    Herbert likes to see himself as some sort of modern day Malcolm X ffs. When in reality he's nothing more than a jumped up lawyer, who's latched onto football as he's seen an opportunity for self promotion & ultimately financial gain. The man is a charlatan & the FA should have called him out.
     
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  11. Ivan Dobsky

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    Was it Purple Aki? :emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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  12. UnitedinRed

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    No idea what happened. Did england go to the zoo?
     
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    So you obviously never lived in the south end then jb.:D
     
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  14. UnitedinRed

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    He's more famous than I ever knew.
     
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  15. Ivan Dobsky

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    Seriously, something like that happened to my daughter when she was about two when I took her around Tesco's in the trolley. This was sixteen years ago, and there are not that many black and Asian people here in York now, let alone then, but as we went down the aisle a very, very black guy came down the opposite direction with his family. She just yelled in awe "Dad, look at that man's face!" I was so embarrassed and just tried to shush her and race past as quickly as possible. Then, of course, as we went down the other aisle he was coming up that in the opposite direction! It crossed my mind to turn around, but as he got closer he just smiled and said hello to her and said she had a pretty face.

    The kid was just intrigued at what was different to what she was used to. "His hands are black too", she continued after he went. "Why does he has black skin?". "Er, because the country he comes from is hot and you need dark skin so that you don't get burned". "What country is he from?" "Er, it sounded like London...."

    Nonetheless, she's gone to school with Asian, black, Chinese and east European kids. They just don't think it's a problem unless we put one into their heads. But don't try and crush kids' natural curiosity for novelties and differences or they'll just resent it and think it's something bad.
     
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  16. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    The same could be said of Dovey/The Moss back when we were kids donga, but its more diverse around these parts these days and no racial problems that i know of which is brilliant.<ok>
     
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    Some good stuff from Frank and Donga, it's good to see a rational argument on a sensitive subject without it degenerating into name calling and abuse.
     
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  18. timmy5x

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    Interesting that Gerrard has stayed stum throughout this whom debacle, maybe a word from the club telling him not to get involved after what happened with KK.
     
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  19. Magic Ted

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    He's the one who leaked it <whistle>
     
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  20. Hash.

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    A black man in Irish translates as '' an fear gorm'' the blue man <yikes> even though the literal translation would be '' an fear dubh'' the black man.

    **** sake language is mad... Fear dubh refers to the Devil.
     
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