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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by C19RK73, Oct 14, 2013.

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is there any hope

Poll closed Oct 19, 2013.
  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    You are right Reg...everyone is innocent until proved guilty in a court of Law...But these two are not helping themselves either at the time of the alleged abduction..or since. They may well be telling the truth,but the general feeling given all that is coming out suggests MAYBE not.
     
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  2. CyprusMackem

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    The bloody McCanns can rot in hell for all I care.
    Leaving very young kids home alone is inexcusable, regardless of whether they are guilty or not.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    On the day of the 'abduction' Gerry barely saw the children ..... whether he's guilty of anything I'd say he's a cold hearted man I'd believe would be capable of many things.

    I don't believe he went to check on the children, in one explanation he said he used his keys to get in whereas Kate said the sliding doors were left unlocked.


    Again, not a smoking gun but it explains why people don't trust what they're saying.
     
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  4. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    I agree but there is some damning evidence starting to surface (see the 100 list)
     
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  5. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    I have not seen any damning evidence, but have saw loads of "evidence" based on half truths, speculation, tabloids and opinions..
     
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  6. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Reading that list, how can you explain the dogs and the death smell, or the lie detector stuff, those two facts have me stuggling the most
     
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  7. Brian Storm

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    The Portuguese Police are a disgrace, simply were not interested in truth because it was a crime against a non citizen imo. I suggest they probed the McCanns as suspect for no other reason than it was easiest and cheapest way to tie up the investigation. It was a shot in the dark for them to see if they could tie it up quick. Their unwillingness to follow other lines of enquiry and expose new evidence showed their lack interest in finding out the truth. If they made more effort at the time I'm sure they would have come across more evidence to help prove either way if the McCanns were their couple or not. A shambles of an investigation.
     
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  8. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    One of the key lines of evidence Goncalo Amaral refers to in his book is the work of two internationally-acclaimed British police sniffer dogs, namely the two springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, who have been trained and used by British dog handler Martin Grime. These dogs, who hitherto had a 100% track record in 200 or more cases of successfully locating where corpses had lain (Eddie) or of detecting human blood (Keela), found the scent of a human corpse in the following locations:

    1.The living room of the McCanns’ apartment (5A) in Praia da Luz, on the floor next to the outside wall, behind the sofa

    2.In or near the wardrobe in the McCanns’ apartment bedroom

    3.On the veranda of the McCanns’ apartment veranda

    4.Amongst the flowerbeds outside the apartment

    5.On two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes

    6.On a red T-shirt belonging either to Madeleine or to her younger brother Sean

    7.On the pink soft toy often produced by Dr Kate McCann for media photographs, ‘Cuddle Cat’

    8.On the floor of the Renault Scenic, the hired car used by the McCanns, near the driver’s seat

    9.On the car keys of the Renault Scenic

    The presence of human cadaverine in these locations or on these items indicates that a corpse which has been dead for at least 90 minutes, usually at least two hours, has been in direct contact with these locations/items. The dogs did not find the scent of a human corpse anywhere else in Praia da Luz. Eddie was reported never to have given a ‘false positive’, i.e. a false alert, to the scent of a human corpse. His reactions to the above ten locations (he alerted to two separate items of Dr Kate McCann’s clothing) can therefore be trusted. The probability is that the only corpse that could have been in contact with those 10 locations – though it is sad to spell this out in black and white – is that of Madeleine McCann.


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    http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/evidence-of-cadaver-dogs.html?m=1
     
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  9. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    These all came from unofficial sources at best, so in my eyes do not count as facts. All the accountable facts have not led to a prosecution, and until evidence arises that can prove otherwise, then I will regard them as innocent..
     
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  10. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Fair enough boss and i wouldnt attempt to convince you otherwise
     
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  11. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    http://exposingthemyths.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/some-commonsense-thoughts-on-madeleine.html

    If you read David Jackson's comment at the bottom of the page (The actual blog entry is garbage) it kind of suggests that the authorities were prepared to point blame at anybody to get it out of the media spotlight and avoid bad publicity on their tourism-driven town. It also provides another example of similar kinds in the area and that could be enough to convince any solicitor to tell the parents to keep quiet.

    The parents have obviously done enough to convince our authorities of their innocence, but for me anybody who is going to have kids should not give birth if they are prepared to leave them unattended in an apartment, in an area which is rife with *****philes. Gerry and Kate are as guilty for me as anybody and they should be made accountable for their negligence and for being unfit parents.
     
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  12. MrRAWhite

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    Ditto mate..We are all entitled to our opinions, and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed all the time..<ok>
     
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  13. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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  14. CyprusMackem

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    Thats some read is that.
    I love a good conspiracy theory. There are some who believe very passionately the twin towers were not hit by planes. They were though and I don't believe for one second the McCanns killed (accidentally or otherwise) Maddie.
    That said though they should be done for neglect at the very least. Two babies and a three year old left alone night after night in a strange hotel room. Disgusting.
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

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    There's another conspiracy theory being put forward by the police!!!!

    They claimed, on Crimewatch, that this bears all the hallmarks of a 'targeted and pre-planned' abduction.

    This would need a conspiracy of incredible proportions.

    According to the police the men they suspect had been keeping up surveillance on the flat for days, they watched the McCanns and studied their movements despite the parents and friends being 50 yards away and making regular checks, entered the flat, snatched the girl, without waking her or the twins, and carried her fast asleep through the streets of a busy holiday resort ...... they then managed to transport a live child out of Portugal, under the glare of the world's media and various police forces.

    Not only that, these criminal masterminds did all this without being recognised by dozens of holiday makers, being caught on CCTV or snapped on any one of the thousands of holiday pics.
    They also managed not to leave a single trace of DNA.
    Then they'd have to take the girl to the buyer who has managed to integrate one of the most well known children on the planet, with an obvious eye defect, into their community.

    All this for a few thousand quid to be shared among the gang?

    Sounds like a load of bollocks tbh.
     
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  16. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Well-Known Member

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    Neverminf
     
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  17. bonnybobbypark

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    But with all that has been said, why are the McCanns not suspects? I need to have faith in our police and cannot see why they would not scrutinise all of the above. Assuming they have and they haven't charged the McCanns, then they must have been cleared?
     
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  18. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    I think last night has stirred things up deliberately and didnt show them in a good light, its everywhere on facebook, forums, work, the public, it wouldnt suprise me if they are under investigation
     
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  19. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    i'm pretty sure they are under investigation, that won't stop until there is some strong evidence to suggest otherwise
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    You'd have to be charged to be cleared.

    The Portuguese have only said that there isn't enough evidence against them to proceed.
     
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