...or are our fans turning into complete melts? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...canaries-are-wrong-to-dismiss-european-dream? Now forgive me if I'm wrong but the club have NOT stated they do not want to qualify for Europe so why write an entire article lambasting them for not wanting to qualify for Europe? What they actually said is that the club would not make any money from qualifying for it, that it could be a burden on the squad and that the Europa League is not glamorous. What is wrong with saying any of that? It's not like it's nothing we don't already know - it's true that European runs can be a major issue if a club is not geared up to cope. That doesn't mean they don't want to get there and compete! It means they are wary of the problems it could bring. Could we cope in the Europa League this season? No chance. Do we want to win things? Yes! Would winning things bring European football? Yes! Do we want to win something and get relegated? No! Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive all of a sudden? Surely you are more likely to a) win something and b) qualify for Europe if you are a top flight side. The other day we had a Norwich fan saying he'd rather get relegated than be in the Premier League, aiming for, as he put it, 'mediocrity' every season. What a load of bull****. What is happening to some of our fans?!?! Get a grip! So you want us to win more games in the league below. Do you know what happens if you win loads of games in the league below? You get promoted to the Premier League - where we already are! So would you then want to go straight back down again, cos that would entail losing loads of games I'm afraid... honestly, it's absolutely pathetic. Our club are more ambitious than they've ever been and I swear some of our fans are like lost sheep at the moment. If the club weren't ambitious, do you really think they'd have put ground expansion on hold so they can invest all money back into the playing squad? Come on people - use your bloody brains properly - they are turning to mush and it's embarrassing. Pull yourselves together - we all support a cracking club who are currently batting above their average and have some excellent players. We're debt-free, possibly for the first time ever and we ply our trade in the top flight. Why do some always have to find something to moan about? Supporting Norwich has not always been this good - god only knows what you were like when things were actually bad. ENJOY IT FFS.
You aren't going mad mate there is now officially a core of supporters that have truly lost it and it worries me more than anything I see on the pitch.
It took, what, two paragraphs for the bloke to start taking about Swansea. ****ing pathetic. Like I said the other day, we aren't Swansea and I thank my lucky stars we aren't. We are going of things our way and literally **** everyone else and the way thy do things. The whole cup thing is a farce as it has a rather large element of chance attached to it. There's a draw. One of the things that makes me fine the most is when people say "if we'd have beaten them we'd have gotten x and we would have beaten x and got to the final" I mean, that's just not how the universe works, surely they know thig. This isn't advanced statistics here it's the random act of pulling a ball out of a bag If you can't get that, I despair. You are automatically assumed that because you aren't obsessed with a cup you are negative and against progress. ****ing pathetic.
This is getting ridiculous. I really do not know what these people want and it is so damaging to the club. I was in the local butchers on Saturday and the guy (West Ham fan) said to me that he could not understand why people were turning against CH and he found it unbelievable. I said to him that the argument was being won and performances were now quietening down the unhappy minority, now I am actually wondering if I have read this correctly an d the self-destruct gang are on the up. It is like politics now where you have to be on-message the whole time and you are pillaried if you are not, same goes for any NCFC related quote so it seems.
here's a wild idea. the longer we stay in the premier league, the more we will improve our team and as a knock-on effect of this, the more likely we are to win a trophy and qualify for europe, whilst still maintaining our league status AND continuing to improve both on and off the pitch. is it really that strange a concept to understand?
there's definitely more negative fans out there now (when things are going ok), it's noticable. given our meteroric rise of the past four years, i'm struggling to compare it to say 2007 -9, which would be a good benchmark? Part of it will be down to increased use of social media (and fans moaning on socia media), but part of it because people like to have a big old moan and be negative
I know I won't be popular for saying this, and am likely to have a load of manure metaphorically dumped on my doorstep, but IMO we have already experienced the great damage that can be caused to our club by fans who think they know what is best for NCFC. It happened in 1995 when Robert Chase was hounded out of office. Football is riddled with myth, and one of the greatest, most powerful myths is that a club's fans know what is in the best interests of their club.
we've been through the chase debate before - i certainly wanted rid at the time but he was equally not the beast many claimed him to be. ultimately, he was somewhere in the middle if you take his 'reign' as a whole. however, i'm not sure its relevant to bring that up here - this is a totally different set of circumstances, one where actually, things are very rosy in the norwich city garden, or at least they should be (bar currently sitting 18th on alphabetical order after 7 games). back in 95, 96 things were certainly crashing down around the club. whether that was solely down to chase or a number of factors has, as i say, been debated before but i see no connection to then and now. at worst, i can see why some people maybe feel a little disappointed but there are some fans throwing toys out of prams left right and centre. it really is bizarre. we're actually not bad - we've got a good setup here. some things haven't quite clicked but is that reason for all this drama from fans?
I'm afraid that I can't now think of Robert Chase without visualising that look from Chrissy Sutton! I think that tells its own story about Chase! Shame because I believe Chase was a genuine fan but another agenda was far more important to him!
I am certainly not looking to reopen the Chase debate. And I agree that the circumstances are very different. My point is that, no matter what the circumstances, the myth that "we fans know best" persists despite much evidence to the contrary.
Not606 Canaries know best. We know best. We are the best. We should be an official think tank/lobby for the club. Get McNally on the phone.
Seriously? There were two Premier League Chief Executive's on twitter, and a select group of morons have ruined that for everyone else. Complete melts sounds about right! Dare I say it, but can some of this madness be attributed to the effects of "plastic fans"? My mother is a prime example of what I mean. Very casual football fan for ages, never understood why her sons wanted season tickets, but suddenly we're flying in league 1 and she wants to come to games. In the championship season she takes much more of an interest than before, and now she's supporting a Premier League club. In her short time as a "serious" Norwich fan, she's only seen the good times, and has highly unrealistic expectations for this season as a result. I know she doesn't want Hughton as manager, and if she went to games at the moment, I suspect she'd happily boo. Is she reflective of a growing section of our fanbase? Has our recent success brought with it "good-time fans", who expect the meteoric rise to continue?
Well im certainly not one of your so called plastic fans ! I've been going to home & in the past all away games for twenty plus years so i think that gives me a right to comment on current matters. I hated Chase with a passion, the man ripped the heart out of this club for the sake of bricks & mortar ! These two items were more important to him than anything that went on on the playing side, unless of course we unearthed a gem from the youth set up that he could sell on to fund more land sales. This club was on the verge of greatness in the 90's and with sensible investment could have had a team worthy of winning the league, but instead he choked and chose to sell the heart of the squad. Listening to you happy clappers slagging every one off who has the slightest view which doesn't conspire to your"patience" & we should be happy where we are comments is totally dissrespectful to genuine fans sharing a concern as to how the current management are running things. Every time a view about how the team has performed poorly or we've not agreed with CH's tactics or substitutions then we're "traitors" or don't know what we're talking about, now plastic fans ffs ! You should just start banning everyone who doesn't comply, then you can have a nice little time chatting between your selves without the "Melts" or what ever the **** you want to label us with disagreeing with the "Master race"!! This has no bearing on the link to this thread, i've not even read it ! Nor am i on Twitter, face book or any other form of social media, so i can't be blamed for hounding out DM either!
I have just read the article in the evening news from the link in that piece and i cant see anything wrong with what they said. They were asked what financial gain there would be to play in the Europa league and they answered honestly, none. Whats the problem?
It wasn't meant as a pop at anyone on here Chippy, and I certainly wouldn't want people to feel they can't criticise the club. My point (and I believe that of others), is that there's questioning a decision, or whether the manager's correct, and then there's the vocal, but small, minority who seem to believe that we should be looking to get European football this season, and if that's out of reach, then we should "just" win a cup and get relegated, because we'd win more in the lower leagues and that's fun. You can see why people look at the success of similar sized clubs like Swansea and Wigan and want it for ourselves, but don't seem to realise that both of their victories were highly improbable, and it's not every year both (or even either), cups are won by teams outside of the top 5 of the Premier League. That combined with the money spent seems to have given some fans unrealistic expectations, and (to me at least), a very distorted view of what the club are capable of this season. I knew bringing out the "plastic fans" tag was a mistake, and it was only meant in the context I used it, ie fans who've only got into the club on the back of the recent successes, and now feel that the club must continue the meteoric climb, and damn any logic that says otherwise.
"sometimes I even dream of relegation, and savour the prospect of winning more matches " This is a direct quote from Steve Downes article the other day This isn't about hughton or any on-field issue at all, this is about some fans losing the plot
