Teachers - like all public sector workers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Oh it is so hard for them - oh their pay is so rubbish- oh the politicians are so interfering - oh someone wants them to have the same sort of pensions the private sector have had for years. Get back to the good old days when teachers were not allowed to reveal their politics instead of all being left leaning whinge-bags and they TAUGHT. Ofsted inspection make me crease up - schools get told in advance of an audit - yeh try that in the private sector where auditors can turn up out of the blue. If you don't like the society we now live in then stop being so namby pamby lefty excuse- mongering.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there - all teachers are left leaning etc? As for being able to actually teach - I think you'd find that the majority of them agree with you but they're not given the chance to, thanks mainly to political interference... Whilst I can't really comment on Ofsted inspection processes, here in Scotland it would be very hard to avoid knowing in advance that an inspection was imminent - simply because all parents with children at a particular school are involved in the inspection and forewarned. And of course the intention of an inspection, unlike that of an audit, is not to root out fraud anyway - and are generally welcomed by staff. I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make with your final sentence - are you really saying that, in order to like a society, we all have to be Tory party sycophants? Is this really you following the advice of your signature and looking on the bright side?
Morning all from a chilly bandit country. A bit lost with no match to attend, but I am sure Mrs W_Y will find me a few chores.
No not a troll - you can see that from my past posts. I am just aware how very left leaning this forum is so thought I would be a bit provocative and see if anyone actually wanted to try to defend the culture that has grown up post Thatcher. People rarely seem to accept that their life is THEIR responsibility nowadays. Everyone wants help from the state for everything - whether it is for them to "create" a job or to give benefits for one thing or another, to provide support for children THEY have chosen to have - the list could go on and on. It is just so easy to attack the rich fat cat bankers - how many times over have I now seen the Left spend a tax on Fat Cat bonuses ( as if bonuses of any large amount are not already taxed at premium rate). The left are so full of taking money from the so called rich. Instead they should think about creating wealth - the more wealth there is the more it will eventually spread around. Labour messed up this country massively - especially under Brown - and they just try to blame the bankers and International forces etc. It reminds me of my childhood when a Granddad of mine -a card carrying Communist - blamed the World's woes on International Jewry. Bankers certainly made mistakes and surprise surprise they are a greedy bunch but the Economy was (as it always has been) messed up by Labour. There has never been a Labour government that left office to the Tories without leaving behind a supreme mess. I don't particularly like Cameron and Co but they did what had to be done and the economy is healing from Labour's foul up. Nobody has a right to expect other people to support them in the long term - the welfare state with unemployment benefits etc need to be there to let people get over short term problems - they then need to support themselves - not scrounge off others. Before any of you get on your favourite Daily Mail rants - I do not read or like the Daily Mail - it is a worthless rag. However there does need to be a culture shift in this country's thinking back towards the idea that you get out what you put in and you should try to build and create things not to "share" what other people have.
It's funny to think this was once a vibrant forum - I used to "lurk" and enjoy plenty of banter. Now it is a ghost town. 99% of posts giving fictitious food and drink, reps or repetitive hellos and goodnights. Not sure what happened to the moderators - Dan does a bit but overall the site is very slow with more posts by non-Hornets than Hornets. Not even posting a little bit of extreme views has generated an iota of interest.
Personally I enjoy the fictitious coffee immensely ... if only for the thought of the real one that it puts in my head ... as to your debate provoking response, I agree that people should get out of society what they put in - but that also applies to bonuses - in too many professions and industries the bonuses taken by the highest earners are obscenely inflated above and beyond what they personally have contributed to the success / profitability of the business etc - if having that view makes me a 'leftie' than I'm proud to be counted as one - yet I have no affiliation to any political party - indeed I find myself increasingly apolitical - most senior politicians in the major parties stem from an Oxbridge / public school background, so it's hardly surprising to find them 'remote' or 'out of touch' with the vast majority of the population in this country these days ...
Apologies Harry, I assumed your original bit of a rant was a bit of fishing looking for a nibble. Regarding your points about teachers, I would agree with some of them - for example, I believe that teachers are fairly well paid and have good pensions, but I also do not think that is a not a bad thing either, I believe the majority deserve that. Obviously as in all walks of life, there are bad teachers and I would expect good head teachers to root them out and move them on, just in any other occupation. Not sure what business you work in, but in mine we have quarterly audits from PWC and a year end one as well to confirm our results. We also have a quarterly business process audit from E&Y and an annual SARBOX audit as well. But never any that are unannounced. BB and my comments were regarding the state of preparation of very young children when they first start nursery/school and some of the things that our partners have to experience nearly every working day. Regarding your post about this forum being very left leaning, I would have to disagree. Believe me, I am almost the last person on earth that could be termed as "left leaning" and there are a few on here that are the same when a political discussion is kicked off. Yes, there are some lefties and I have crossed words with them a few times. I agree that people should look to themselves and not to the state. I have worked hard all my life to improve my life and that of my family - as did my very working class parents. Over the years I have paid a small fortune in taxes, but have never complained apart from moaning about the waste of governments of those taxes - particularly mr Brown, who blew it all away. Good points regarding this forum and agree with many of them, it has lost a lot of it's edge and vibrancy as many of the posters have either stopped posting or have greatly reduced their contribution. Hopefully your contribution will generate some response and a good old debate will start.
So true on the last part Fosse, I also have no time for the political elite that have turned politics into an industry. They are completely out of touch.
Evening all from a much milder bandit country. Had a busy day in the garden clearing up and getting ready for winter. Including putting some plastic sheeting on the rabbits run to keep him dry. Off out with Mrs W_Y for a meal at a new restaurant that has recently opened locally - daughter is entertaining a group of friends, do we are getting out of the way. But she makes just the best Guacamole, I hope they leave me some!
you can rest assured that moderators are around, even if they don't find time to post or comment at the moment. Sadly, life is a little busy (or maybe that's a good thing!). Either way, i think you'll find my posts here and there from the last few weeks, even if i don't post in the Hornet's Nest much these days. You are, of course, welcome to be as controversial as you like and get some debate going, on any subject..this is your forum as much as anyone else's. As for left or right wing...extremes of either are a bad thing, but you can count me very much left of centre
If you exclude the posts giving reps and non-hornets just saying hello the number of posts here must be a tenth of what they were perhaps even 6 months ago - just checked your posts H and you are averaging about 1 per day - there was a time I bet you were averaging more like 100. That is not a criticism in any way - just an observable fact. I doubt there are now more than two or three posters who regularly post outside of the match threads, the forecasts and one or other form of saying hi. It's fine but just not what it once was and in my opinion is in danger of falling further - perhaps it does not matter - many people like twitter and facebook and perhaps that is where they now reside. I just thought I would throw a stone in the pond and see what ripples spread - was thinking of following it with an extreme left wing rant to see if the other side would stir more but probably not. I have somehow accumulated 280 million points - and have less than 100 posts - what is that all about?
If a sizeable number of teachers are left wing, as you suggest, could it possibly have something to do with the fact that without socialist ideas, in the past, we would have no state schools now ? Without their heritage both basic education and health would be market commodities now. You seem to have forgotten that it was not the Labour government which ripped up Britain's industrial heritage in the 80's - thus leaving the country over dependent upon a finance market which actually produces nothing. Many of the younger readers here will have no idea what Socialism is/was or what Socialists actually believed - having more or less disappeared from the British scene in the 80's. So I will remind them. A Socialist was someone who believed that no man was an island - that a man needed others in order to become rich - that he needed an infrastructure around him - and that he should therefore pay more for it. He believed that 'work' was not a thing to be traded like any other product and that such a thing as a work ethic needed also a payment ethic. He believed that a certain number of services and goods should remain National assets - only then could they be harnessed to the national good. He also believed that money existed to serve man - and not the other way around. He also believed many other things which I will not go into now. But I will say one thing more, without him we would have no free health system now - no free state schooling. No sickness or holiday pay and very little in the way of health and safety regulations at work. We would have no Open University. You say people should receive the fruits of their labours. Go to Oldham and see the dump it is now and then try to remind yourself that this town was once the most productive in Europe - it processed more cotton than Germany and France combined at one time. Like so many other towns in the north however, having created England's wealth (to be spent in the south) for about 150 years it was then left to die - in Tebbit's words to the locals 'Get on your bikes and go south', that is then the fruit of Oldham's labours.
Funny but I disagree with almost every statement you have made there. I thought mine were sweeping generalisations but you have hypothesised whole areas of fantasy into political fact. Normally I would refute incorrect points but with this the whole lot is poor guesswork of what might have been in your nightmare
Disagree completely Cologne, socialists believe that the state should provide equal quality of life to all irrespective of race colour ability or ethic, its a failed doctrine being used yet again now in Venezuela where its succeeded in creating rife shortages and a lack of drive for the individual. Socialists make me sick to the core, I'll use a generalization they're a bunch of lazy good for nothing folk who do not understand the basic human need to be rewarded in proportion to the humans labours. I wish Marx and Engels had never lived, along with that every "socialist" should be shipped off to their utopian island where they can laze around to extinction and leave us capitalists to create wealth to cascade down for the greater good. And to someones point I do not indulge in the pointless banter of fake coffees and the like but each to their own!!! I'd rather make money....
