The late, lamented Mel Smith had a solution for this problem. [video=youtube;04clpd7h0b0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04clpd7h0b0[/video]
"although he had been earning £5,000 a week he was struggling to pay a mortgage on the house where his family lived." How is that even possible?! Stupid fekkin moron I feel for his family (wife/kid(s) if that's what's implied by family), but that's it. Lock the **** up, and to hell with whatever club(s) employes him in the future.
cannot believe some of what i have just read....not gonna comment except to say some people should move forward into the 90's and maybe even the new century! good luck with the way this ridiculously bigoted post is going....im out of here
Where's the bigotry, Queens? How about setting out clearly your points on this subject instead of tossing in an insult and simply buggering off? I'd be interested in understanding how not wishing to have violent scumbags living in our midst is bigoted.
So far I'm getting: - we have a violent, poorly educated, poorly brought up underclass that we have to 'deal with'. Though they are not necessarily unemployed if Madine is an example of them - Albanians - we don't like them - Public works are a good way to occupy the chronically unemployed, but working for profit making, tax income generating businesses is not - Employers, especially 'fat cat multinationals' - we don't like them - We should castrate 'cretins' and remove them from the political process - The existing major political parties do not necessarily offer acceptable solutions Seems we have the seeds of a political and social credo here. Its not a new one though. I think Queens is very wise to leave well alone, as I will too.
Ubber, sorry mate. Bigoted was the wrong word. I oppologise. i meant that this thread clearly shows the age demographic of our board, and as such, some of the views arevery outdated and backwards when it comes to the issues. i totally agree with the fact that most of these to**ers should be sent to an island 7 bombed, but blaming the parents for kids upbringing was shown to be a complete farce years ago. As for blaming the government and holding them responsible for the behaviour of an idividual...are you serious? Im the father of 2 boys (as are many of you) so think about this your kids are asleep for (approx) 9 hours a night. they spend @ 8 hours at school with teachers, friends and others. By the time they come home, do homework, see mates etc. You come in from work etc, I reckon you be hard pushed to be spending 4 hours a night with them. So they spend less time with you than any other person in thier lives. How the f**K are you goping to have the same influence as those spend the majority of thier time with? im not blaming teachers or anyone else, & your kids have to be taught the values or right and wrong, but thier are many many circumstances that can affect this. You Uber & Col of all people will & should understand this?. In short, the way your kids turn out, is not TOTALLY within your control. i did not mean to offend and accept that i may have done so, so im sorry. Does that make sense?
As I understand it, it only affects those who have been on jobseeker's allowance for two years without finding work. The idea that some community work should be performed in exchange for benefits seems perfectly acceptable to me. The danger is we create a basically servile underclass that work for well below the minimum wage and thus become further ostracised from society. However, in general, I think it's a reasonable idea but could be widen to include others that would like to volunteer in certain community projects etc. I don't think it involves them working for big firms, as people have done in the past, though I could be mistaken.
I think you'll find I attributed much of society's ills to sub-standard parenting AND a myriad other factors. But if you want to keep the focus on the parenting aspect, then I believe that much of how you are, how you process and react to the world around you is together something you're born with and the product of the earlier stages of your upbringing. Even at the grand old age of forty-seven I recognise that much of what I am stems from the values and standards instilled in me by my parents. Like many I rebelled against some of this during my adolescent years and did some pretty dumb things as a consequence. But I never resorted to violence and hate and the like because I was afraid of the shame it would bring not only on me but also on my parents. As a parent now I continue the same theme, wishing to set the right example for my children whilst ensuring that they set themselves high standards too. I am in constant loggerheads with the current holder of the title Mrs Uber who is from the "I don't care what my kids do and achieve as long as they're happy" school, but together we strike a happy medium. I get it wrong more than I get it right, but that's parenting and the real proof will be in the adults they become. I don't see how any of this could be considered old fashioned as it seems good sense to me. It doesn't guarantee success by any stretch if the imagination, but I'm willing to bet that there's a higher probability of turning out a useful member of society. Your points about the time they spend with teachers and friends is fair. Teachers - if I may make an unfair sweeping generalisation for a moment - are left-wing and illiterate drones that deliver uninspiring monologues these days. I'm forever correcting their marking of my kids' homework, particularly maths and grammar. Yep, I'm an old duffer in this respect, but it really does matter. Friends are the real problem. Peer pressure is a big issue, particularly when Little Johnny's mum lets him have £50 a week pocket money, stay out all day without reporting his whereabouts, swear like a trooper and stay up till 11pm on a school night. I don't want my kids hanging out with these kids, but there are now far too many of their like. Do you simply give in and let your kids do the same, or does one refuse to abandon one's values?
Good thoughts, Husks. It is so tough for some to find jobs out there, but many employers are looking for people with a good work ethic, so to demonstrate that you've done anything, whether low paid or voluntary, can be a useful asset on your CV. Some unemployed refuse to go down this route, considering it demeaning to them. But it's the reality. In their position I'd do anything to keep myself occupied.
Uber, Thats a great response and i find myself agreeing with nearly all of it. I to am one of those people that push my kids & mum is pretty much a 'as long as they are happy person. Sometimes im seen as a constant pain in the arse but ive seen my kids benefit from it. vie also seen them suffer when "dad is no fun, he makes us do our homework"! My response wasn't aint at you and i know you are speaking of wider issues than just parenting. you are correct, NO, you don't just give up but reading some of the posts blaming the government, Albanians, unemployed etc is just embarrassing. In today's society there are far to many kids without decent parents even both parents. Does this turn the kids out bad..I say NO. One of our long serving posters on here that i can think of is in this situ & from what i can see his kids have turned out pretty amazing. Blaming parents is an easy excuse for people who have no other answers. As for teachers, there are some good and some bad as with every proffession. They can be over worked and underpaid and get lots of crap. Let me ask you this. Why should they learn maths and grammar when they have a computer? They might not be able to do fractions or trigonometry..but..could you reprogram a computer when you were 11 years old? My kids can. Fact is education and teaching is changing. the old 3R's is irrelevant in today's job market and very little relies on it. Its well known many writers are dyslexic but that's what computers are for. So whilst i agree with what you have posted, a lot of the comments and views expressed here are very outdated & a some are quite offensive if I'm honest! Im going to leave you guys to it i think. good luck
On balance I'd like my kids to be amongst those that invent the next internal combustion engine, light bulb, computer, medical device or whatever, rather than just one of the larger group of those that know how to operate them.
